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Re: pic: The Cow that Jumped over the moon!

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I used the calculation method from this website assuming that each CIM is just under 1/2hp and weight roughly 3 lbs. You could use all 6 cims or just 1. The math is complicated, but it walks your through pretty well. You certainly would not have a lot of weight room left but it is possible from my calculations.

http://www.heli-chair.com/aerodynamics_101.html


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Yes it does look technically feasible. My calculations show 6 CIMs running at peak power on a 4ft diameter rotor (just fits within the 54" cylinder with a bit of room to spare) can generate 140 lbs of thrust. With a superlight robot, you probably could make that work. This is the most efficient rotor configuration for area, but would be nearly impossible to control well. A hex-rotor configuration is more controllable, with 1 CIM each, but you'd lose a lot of rotor area, which starts to eat into your thrust capabilities.

That being said, if you run 6 CIMs at full power continuous a) your battery will probably drop to at least half-voltage within a minute and b) the motors will likely overheat and start losing power.

All of this ignores the safety aspect, which is that FIRST probably wouldn't allow a flying robot onto their field on safety grounds. The nets are designed to contain frisbees, not runaway helicopter bots.
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Re: pic: The Cow that Jumped over the moon!

6 CIM's all working near full power? You'd trip the main 120A breaker in a few seconds.
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6 CIM's all working near full power? You'd trip the main 120A breaker in a few seconds.
Each CIM wouldn't be experiencing very heavy loads though. The stall current is 133 Amps, and the free current is 2.7 Amps.

While they wouldn't be at free current, they wouldn't be drawing massive amounts of current if they are powering a light-weight rotor, would they?
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Re: pic: The Cow that Jumped over the moon!

The point of this conversation being... Someday it will be possible. Try it outside of the competition for fun!!!
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