The Robonauts 118 - 2013 Video

[Andrew Zeller]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track. A seriously beautiful machine, can't wait to watch it playing on the field.

While I absolutely love Macklemore, I was thinking Up and Away by Can't Stop Won't Stop would also be fitting for an awesome Level 3 climber unveiling video.

[Bdf809]

Originally Posted by makahn64

I guess I'd like to see a bill of materials. If you had to build this robot in the real world it would cost a lot more than $4K. IMHO it's about time FRC started leveling the playing field for teams that don't have a NASA facility to build the robot for them.

You also realize that no team on the World Champion alliance last year had any sort of facility to fabricate parts for them like 118 does. There's a plethora of good teams that don't. 118 just happens to one good team that has that kind of sponsorship.

Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by Bdf809

Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.

Well put! Quoted for truth.

[Tristan Lall]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

I think you guys really missed the opportunity to steal lines from another great Macklemore track.

I'm puzzled why I've never heard of this Macklemore. He's got good stuff in his music—a proper instrumental track, amusing satire, trenchant commentary on consumerism and religion, proper reverence for baseball and delicate political activism. On his website, he even posted this genuinely thoughtful justification for watering down his song critiquing consumerism so the NBA could use it without offending Nike—and how in doing so, he was craftily playing the long game.

Oh, and that was a pretty cool robot too.

[efoote868]

Other than the reveal video, are there specs you would care to release? (Things that you can't tell from the video or wouldn't be able to tell without seeing your robot in the pits or on a field).

Was there space for a shifting transmission, what are the reductions / top speeds?

How fast can you climb the pyramid outside a controlled setting?

And most importantly, have you tested to find the limit to your shooter's range?

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by efoote868

Other than the reveal video, are there specs you would care to release? (Things that you can't tell from the video or wouldn't be able to tell without seeing your robot in the pits or on a field).

Was there space for a shifting transmission, what are the reductions / top speeds?

How fast can you climb the pyramid outside a controlled setting?

And most importantly, have you tested to find the limit to your shooter's range?

118 is one of the most open teams I have ever encountered at a competition. If you ask them they will invite you into their pit and tell you how they came about each and every part of their robot. I recall them having brochures last year that also detailed every technical aspect.

Might just ask them for a copy of that brochure if you aren't going to run into them in person. (And assuming they put one out this year)

[Libby K]

Originally Posted by Bdf809

Also, keep in mind: you don't become great because of your sponsors, you become sponsored because of your greatness.

A++

[CalTran]

Now I'm curious as to who would come out on top in a one-on-one between Titanium (1986) and Robonauts (118).
BASED ON REVEAL VIDEOS
(Let's say it's a full court match with all 45 discs each.)

Autonomous: It would appear that Titanium has a stronger autonomous mode, whereas Robonauts did not show off a multi-load autonomous.
Titanium - 42pts
Robonauts - 18pts

Teleoperated: I have to say, Robonauts would take the teleoperated period based off of their ability to fire off full court. Titanium, while bringing a strong, accurate shooter to the table, have not yet shown off an ability to fire full court. In this one on one, Robonauts do not have to worry about heavy defense, so they would be able to fire off all 45 discs for an easy 135 points, and have time to spare to get in place for a climb. Titanium requires a 4 disc cycle, and as stated, they have a 17 second cycle. As they also need some climb time, that affords them 5 cycles, for 60 points.
Titanium - 102pts
Robonauts - 153pts.

End Game: Robonauts might just take the end game, and for one very specific reason. Colored discs. As Titanium climbs on the inside, it would be difficult for them in their current configuration to score the colored discs. Robonauts, however, climb on the outside and would be easily able to "punt" the colored discs in and I would be surprised if they do not. But, as this ability has not been shown yet, I am unable to award them the extra 20 points, *as their shooter faces the wrong direction. Thus, each robot receives 30 points.

Total
Titanium - 132pts
Robonauts - 183ptsu
And thus, Robonauts might actually come out on top IN A ONE-ON-ONE. However, if Titanium is able to reduce their trip time to about 10 seconds, it would be a very different game. As well, if this were match conditions (meaning there are 4 other robots on the field), Robonauts cross-court shots would be greatly reduced and Titanium would come out on top due to their massive point lead through Autonomous.

Just my $.02 and waiting until Week 1 start. Titanium will be at Hub City, Week 1. Robonauts first event is Lone Star, Week 2. Hopefully, Titanium will not be affected by the perils of competing Week 1.

[dodar]

0% chance you will see any long range shooter make over 20 discs in a match and have 100% accuracy. So your assumption is taking some HUGE liberties with the scores.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by dodar

0% chance you will see any long range shooter make over 20 discs in a match and have 100% accuracy. So your assumption is taking some HUGE liberties with the scores.

I agree on the 100% accuracy, I disagree on the more than 20 discs. If left alone 118 could easily make 30-35 discs in an entire match.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

I agree on the 100% accuracy, I disagree on the more than 20 discs. If left alone 118 could easily make 30-35 discs in an entire match.

Oh no no no, I didnt mean they couldnt make the 20 in a match; I meant that you wont see a team make 20+ in a match while having a 100% accuracy. I full well see teams getting 20+ this year in a single match. Sorry for the confusion in my post.

[Dr. Shocker]

Originally Posted by CalTran

Now I'm curious as to who would come out on top
...BASED ON REVEAL VIDEOS ...


End Game: Robonauts might just take the end game, and for one very specific reason. Colored discs. As Titanium climbs on the inside, it would be difficult for them in their current configuration to score the colored discs. Robonauts, however, climb on the outside and would be easily able to "punt" the colored discs in and I would be surprised if they do not. But, as this ability has not been shown yet, I am unable to award them the extra 20 points.

They may have been able to lightly shoot/punt discs into the pyramid goal from the top if they're shooter was on the same side as they're climber, but as it stands their shooter faces outward when they climb, so I doubt they are able to add these points easily.

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by Dr. Shocker

They may have been able to lightly shoot/punt discs into the pyramid goal from the top if they're shooter was on the same side as they're climber, but as it stands their shooter faces outward when they climb, so I doubt they are able to add these points easily.

Oh was it? My bad. I couldn't view the video when I made that post. (School's keeping me down...)

[barn34]

You also fail to mention that 118's 30 point climb seems a lot slower than 1986's. They've got a clocked time at 21 seconds which is the fastest seen in the competition so far (shameless plug: ours has been clocked at 23...but we may be able to trim some built in delay times to make it a tight race ) Anyways, until we really see how slow (or fast) 118's climb is, we really can't tell which is theoretically superior to the other. For my money, if I was in the envious position of having to make an alliance selection between those two beautifully engineered machines, I'd take 1986. Full court shooting when you're less than 30 inches tall is going to be moot as soon as you stick a defender in front of you. Once you eliminate that factor, 1986 looks to be the superior machine.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by barn34

You also fail to mention that 118's 30 point climb seems a lot slower than 1986's. They've got a clocked time at 21 seconds which is the fastest seen in the competition so far (shameless plug: ours has been clocked at 23...but we may be able to trim some built in delay times to make it a tight race ) Anyways, until we really see how slow (or fast) 118's climb is, we really can't tell which is theoretically superior to the other. For my money, if I was in the envious position of having to make an alliance selection between those two beautifully engineered machines, I'd take 1986. Full court shooting when you're less than 30 inches tall is going to be moot as soon as you stick a defender in front of you. Once you eliminate that factor, 1986 looks to be the superior machine.

I wouldn't say no to either being on my alliance but, taking away full court shooting and at this current time of only seeing video, I would take 118 over 1986 for the simple reason of how fast 118's floor pickup is. Now that might not matter come Champs when there might not be a ton of discs on the floor.

Also love 2481's robot, can't wait for Wisconsin...