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Re: 2013 Greater Toronto East Regional
Not saying that they have the guarantee, only that they designed for the opportunity. I suppose it is possible that 1114 completely missed the importance of floor loading, and decided to just forfeit any extra auton points. (
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Well the thing is they don't necessarily need to have 2056, just a robot with similar capabilities as them.
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Also, it says a lot about the consistency of 1114 as a team when we're sitting here wondering why they don't have a robot that can do everything after being amazed by the robots that can. |
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A high score of 182 was just put down by 2056, 4343 and 2852
http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive.php?id=61365086 |
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"Collusion" is an inappropriate choice of word here and was not the gist of my comments. It is a bold strategy with risks and will be fasciniting to watch play out. They are hoping to meet opportunity with preparation, which is smart for anyone to do.
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Guys,
I can guarantee that 1114 and 2056 did not make complimentary robots on purpose. If I know the guys on 1114 (and I do ... very well), they did an analysis based on opportunity cost and did a value based analysis, including the probability of how many teams can pull off the 30 point hang. What you are seeing is exactly what some of us expected. Early events will be dominated by auton + floor load, but that will change as the season progresses...at least that is the theory. Math supports this claim. Paul |
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Match 26, however... 143-25... 2056's alliance had 60 in Autonomous alone. I think we know who first seed will be. That's an impressive bit of robot. Really enjoying the webcast and the music variety! |
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The floor loading advantage in auton (24 points) offsets the additional points for climbing to level 3. I think 2056 evaluated the game very well and delivered an excellent machine which executes a very effective strategy. Well done 2056. |
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Don't get me wrong, 2056 has a great design and will be very successful this year; however, I think 1114 is built for a higher caliber of competition/alliance members. By Einstein, I suspect most teams will be shooting 85-90% if not higher. How many discs will really be available on the ground? Yes, auto floor pickup is great and is needed on an alliance, but not every robot needs that capability. The ability to climb to 30, and what appears to be a setup for the 20point dump, will be much more valuable in the end. Not to mention they are a corner climber so this doesn't really impose any limitations on what other 30pt climber is on their alliance. Yes, 2056 will steal the regional competitions. But I suspect 1114 to be a much more valuable asset to an alliance on Einstein. Just my thoughts. |
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This slow-motion intro... Canada is rubbing their match cycle efficiency in our faces
![]() Good job, regional staff and teams! |
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Purely based on my observations, top 4 robots are 2056, 1114, 1241, and 4343, in that order.
2056 has a 7 disk auto, and only floor loading. 1114 has only human loading, and a fast 30 point climb, although inconsistant so far. 1241 has a wicked fast shooter, and fast cycle times, although they were having drivetrain issues early on. 4343 is a consistant 18 point auto, 3-4 cycle shooter, and 10 point hanger. Nothing fast, but super consistant. |
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Agree both are excellent executions of excellent strategies. I expect that 2056 will not only dominate the Regional fields, they will also dominate their Division at the Championship event. Unless of course there is a machine that delivers a seven disc autonomous, a fast 30 point climb with a 20 point dump and four or five 12 point cycles in between. I congratulate both teams on their achievements. |
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Yes, but they aren't necessarily dependent on each other just robots with the same skill sets. They chose to perfect their respective skills because the flexibility of a robot with a lot of mediocre skills is less necessary when they are able to form a well rounded alliance out of "cream of the crop" specialized robots at champs.,
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Re: 2013 Greater Toronto East Regional
How big is the penalty for holding more than 4 discs at a time in teleop?
Last edited by JM033 : 08-03-2013 at 20:52. |
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