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[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Leav

the climb should count, because no rules say it has to be fully supported by the pyramid. the red alliance should receive no penalties since they did nothing against the rules, intentional or not.

The applicable rule here is G16, but G16 does NOT invalidate a climb, even if the disc was used to aid it. G16 implies only two things:

1) If you are off the floor, and performed a legal climb, the climb counts, no matter what.

2) If the referee determines the disc placement was a strategy employed by either alliance, somebody gets a Tech Foul. A 30pt climb is also awarded if opponents inhibited the climb.

Remember folks, a legal climb only requires sequential contact and not contacting more than 2 levels at once. Like Leav said, support by the pyramid is not part of climb legality.

This results in the following possible rulings for discs affecting climbs:

Ruling A) The disc was strategically used by Red to inhibit the Blue climb, therefore G16 was violated. Blue receives credit for a Level 3 climb, and Red receives a Tech Foul. (Frankly, with that disc placement I don't see how anyone can claim it's anything but a coincidence/lucky shot)

Ruling B) The disc was strategically used by Red to aid the Blue climb, therefore G16 was violated. Red receives a Tech Foul, but because it did not inhibit the Blue climb, Blue gets points for a Level 1 climb, because they legally climbed and the lowest point of their robot is in Level 1. (Again, the disc placement in question seems to defy any "strategic" connotations).

Ruling C) The disc was strategically used by Blue to aid the Blue climb, therefore G16 was violated. Blue receives a Tech Foul for aiding their climb, but Blue still gets points for a 10pt climb, because they legally climbed and the lowest point of their robot is in Level 1. (This one is really hard to justify as a strategy given the disc color in question, but depending on the circumstances could be relevant).

Ruling D) The disc was not used strategically by anyone to affect a climb, therefore G16 was not violated. Blue gets points for a 10pt climb, because they legally climbed and the lowest point of their robot is in Level 1.

It's a funny area where the climb was affected by the disc, but in this case I don't think there was any "strategy" to do so, so no rules are broken by doing so. Therefore, IMHO, the climb still counts and no fouls are awarded.