Week 1 Analysis

[Kevin Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Jared Russell

Yes

Defense is a good thing!

[ThomasClark]

[sodizzle]

Originally Posted by ThomasClark

This seems absolutely crazy to me that almost 20% of all scores were made up of penalties. I believe that this is not the way the game was meant to be played.

12.4% of winning alliances would not have won without penalty points? That's insanely high. If I am reading this correct and that is only the qualification matches being taken into account, I would be interested in seeing that same statistic for the eliminations.

[ThomasClark]

Originally Posted by sodizzle

This seems absolutely crazy to me that almost 20% of all scores were made up of penalties. I believe that this is not the way the game was meant to be played.

Agreed. I haven't watched any streams, but it sounds like penalties are huge in a lot of places.

Originally Posted by sodizzle

12.4% of winning alliances would not have won without penalty points? That's insanely high. If I am reading this correct and that is only the qualification matches being taken into account, I would be interested in seeing that same statistic for the eliminations.

Not all eliminations matches have taken place yet, but it's currently around 9.8% of matches that were won by penalties.

For comparison, it was 3.9% of (all) matches last year.

[Ian Curtis]

Originally Posted by ThomasClark

Agreed. I haven't watched any streams, but it sounds like penalties are huge in a lot of places.



Not all eliminations matches have taken place yet, but it's currently around 9.8% of matches that were won by penalties.

For comparison, it was 3.9% of (all) matches last year.

10% isn't ridiculous compared to some older games though. This was back when they penalties and subtracted from your score, instead of added to your opponents score.

[Tom Line]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

10% isn't ridiculous compared to some older games though. This was back when they penalties and subtracted from your score, instead of added to your opponents score.

Ian, I'd LOVE to see this data run on the Centerline eliminations. I can't say for 100% certainty, but I'm not sure if the winning alliance beat their opponents on straight score even once. Can someone point me in the direction of the centerline elim data with penalties showing?

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by Tom Line

Ian, I'd LOVE to see this data run on the Centerline eliminations. I can't say for 100% certainty, but I'm not sure if the winning alliance beat their opponents on straight score even once. Can someone point me in the direction of the centerline elim data with penalties showing?

The winning alliance won 3 of their 6 matches on "straight score" (both SF matches and one finals match).

Here's the data you're looking for: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/fr...p?events=MICEN

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Tom Line

Ian, I'd LOVE to see this data run on the Centerline eliminations.

Here's the Twitter data. As usual though, it's incomplete.

[Tom Line]

Originally Posted by Ether

Here's the Twitter data. As usual though, it's incomplete.

Thank you ether. Am I reading this correctly? Are rfpts and bfpts foul points, rhpts and bhpts hybrid (auto), and rtpts and btpts teleop?

If so, 25% of the points scored in the elims were fouls.

[jlmcmchl]

Originally Posted by Tom Line

Thank you ether. Am I reading this correctly? Are rfpts and bfpts foul points, rhpts and bhpts hybrid (auto), and rtpts and btpts teleop?

If so, 25% of the points scored in the elims were fouls.

Also according to the data, only 3 match outcomes were decided by foul points.

#1, 7, 8. So, QF 1-1, 3-2 and 4-2.

Another note: .25 of red alliance's points were penalties (260 pts), while .29 of blue alliance's points were penalties (370 pts), almost 50% more penalty points than red recieved.

Additionally, the proportion of blue's penalty points to red's teleop/hybrid points is .47, and for the other alliance is .29. Higher-numbered alliances seem to have played much cleaner this week.

[bitty]

Originally Posted by jlmcmchl

Also according to the data, only 3 match outcomes were decided by foul points.

#1, 7, 8. So, QF 1-1, 3-2 and 4-2.

Another note: .25 of red alliance's points were penalties (260 pts), while .29 of blue alliance's points were penalties (370 pts), almost 50% more penalty points than red. I'll let you all make your own judgement from that.

Qf1-1 qf 1-2 qf 3-2 qf 4-2 and finals match 2 were won by penalities.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by jlmcmchl

Also according to the data, only 3 match outcomes were decided by foul points.

According to the Twitter data as of today at 3:54pmET, foul points affected the outcome of 87 of 693 Qual matches, and 13 of 127 Elim matches so far for all Events in Week1.