The 'Newdle' Agreement

[alopex_rex]

The problem with this idea is that even if the alliances make the agreement, throwing the noodles across is so hard that maintaining the agreement would be difficult. In practice, whichever team was more successful at throwing the noodles would get more points out of the deal. So it would essentially become a competition to see which team was able to throw across more noodles--

Wait, that's exactly how it's supposed to work, isn't it. Well played GDC, well played.

[JohnFogarty]

Throwing the noodles that far is easy.... I may have a bias because both our human player and I are 6'4"+.

[Whippet]

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty

Throwing the noodles that far is easy.... I may have a bias because both I and our human player is 6'4"+.

+1

[pmangels17]

What incentive would a team have to make such an agreement if they had the ability to throw the noodles that far? Why wouldn't it be better for an alliance to throw their noodles to the other side of the field, score whatever lands on their own side in the landfill, and score more points that the other alliance, therefore giving them more points in their qualifying average than three other teams?

It seems as though the rules lend themselves to a strategy where each alliance tries as hard as they can to score as many points as they can, while minimizing the scored points of the other alliance. That would be the point of FIRST Robotics COMPETITION.

[Zebra_Fact_Man]

This are dumb.

Let's just throw our own tubes and agree to try to score the most points for our own alliance.

-Gooooooo blue team!!!

[mrnoble]

Go ahead and write a contract for your idea, OP. Pass it out at your competition and request feedback.

Should go well.

[Trey178]

Looks like they chose to use a marking method on the noodles. After some practice throws, I noticed the best chance at making over the step was to throw the litter like a javelin straight down the length of the field. Even then it has to get past the landfill zone and I can't get a good look on whether or not it landed there.

[jaykris284]

Seems like the "Noodle Agreement" has been fixed. While the Newdle Agreement is a noble concept I think it will overly complicate the game.

[2130driven]

question all...

so how would you make a new agereement to use it to both of the teams advantage?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by 2130driven

question all...

so how would you make a new agereement to use it to both of the teams advantage?

The only way to do such an agreement would be this:

Both alliances run their noodles to the step, and put them down. Each alliance then picks up their opponents' stack of noodles and moves it beyond the Landfill.


Which agreement will fall to pieces as soon as someone either dumps the stack in their own Landfill, or doesn't pick it up, or is short one noodle, or, worse yet, picks up BOTH stacks of noodles and drops them in their own Landfill.


Long story short, it isn't worth if for most teams. Which, I might add, appears to be exactly what the GDC wants.

[2130driven]

so, does anyone have any ideas to make a new "newdle" agreement?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by 2130driven

so, does anyone have any ideas to make a new "newdle" agreement?

Why are you asking again?

The GDC has changed the rules specifically to make it VERY difficult to do this. All the easy, and many of the difficult, ways to try a noodle agreement are blocked by a penalty of some form. I outlined the only legal way above: Both alliances put some number of noodles on the Step, and pick up the other alliance's noodles and move them past their own landfill. And pray that the other alliance holds up their end of the deal.

Trust me, while there may be a way around the rules, it's not going to be worth the effort.

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by 2130driven

so, does anyone have any ideas to make a new "newdle" agreement?

Originally Posted by EricH

Trust me, while there may be a way around the rules, it's not going to be worth the effort.

It's pretty clear from the GDC's rule changes (see the Team Update on 9 January) that they don't want the noodle agreement, or any similar method of "free points" to be a thing.

See Frank's note at the top:

This note is from Frank Merrick, Director of FRC

Hello Teams! You will see that several of these updates relate to the Noodle Agreement I talked about in the update from January 6th. As

I said in that update, game design, like robot design, involves many trade-offs. These changes are not perfect, but I believe they will help

ease the controversy over the Noodle Agreement, and encourage more enjoyable game play.

Frank

So it's pretty unlikely there's any kind of agreement left - don't lose any sleep over finding one.