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Re: pic: Districts in Minnesota Flyer

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It is easy to lump teams together into one group but the reasons behind teams that are no longer in FRC is varied. One of the biggest is the reduction of money for anything but essential programs in school districts that are strapped for money. I can point to Chief Delphi and Huskie Brigade as one of those examples. Several Chicago Public School teams have disbanded as staff were reduced and schools closed. In many of these schools/school districts programs like band and orchestra have been eliminated as well. In smaller schools, getting a faculty member to take the team is also an issue as administrators are required to make decisions regarding what programs benefit the greatest number of students. Some schools that had multiple teams went down to just one. Some schools closed.
Money is also a factor, but considering the economic times we have weathered, I am actually surprised at the retention. The downturn in 2009 really hurt but we still kept a surprising number of teams.
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Re: pic: Districts in Minnesota Flyer

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Your assessment seems to include an assumption that "drumming up grassroots support" is needed, and that without it MN folks might not begin carrying out a plan to implement "Districts".
Given my knowledge prior to the regional, based on acquaintances experiences with the MN RPC, and my firsthand experience with the RPC during the event, this was my assessment.

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It is easy to lump teams together into one group but the reasons behind teams that are no longer in FRC is varied.
I agree Al. Slide six of this presentation has a breakdown of major reasons why the 10 teams in Indiana that did not reregister in 2014-2015 left the program: http://indianafirst.rarebirdinc.com/...esentation.pdf
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Given my knowledge prior to the regional, based on acquaintances experiences with the MN RPC, and my firsthand experience with the RPC during the event, this was my assessment.
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OK - For many reasons that's understandable.

Getting confusion like that sorted out is good for everyone involved.

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Re: pic: Districts in Minnesota Flyer

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Given my knowledge prior to the regional, based on acquaintances experiences with the MN RPC, and my firsthand experience with the RPC during the event, this was my assessment.



I agree Al. Slide six of this presentation has a breakdown of major reasons why the 10 teams in Indiana that did not reregister in 2014-2015 left the program: http://indianafirst.rarebirdinc.com/...esentation.pdf
Thanks for posting that. I'd like to point out page 8 of that presentation and the costs.

Under the Regional System they spent $245,000 producing 2 Regionals. Presumably all of that money was raised locally and FIRST did not have to step in to cover any short fall, but I do not know that for certain.

Under their first year in the District System they spent $90,000 producing 3 District events and the DCMP. They did also spend $23,000 on capitol expenditures and $40,000 on administrative costs for a grand total of $154,000 but $49,000 of that came from FIRST via their $1000 per team that the district serves.

So for this season it looks as though they only had to raise aprox $100,000 to cover the cost of the events and the administrative costs. Now some of that was likely due to the fact that the great people of AndyMark provided the use of a field perimeter and their facility for the shipping and recieving of the field elements, game pieces, awards, FMS, spare parts ect. I'm guessing that they also acted as the storage point for between events and in the off season, however they typically stored a field or two complete with the FMS so that those that want to have an off season event have a closer place to ship it from and back too.

So to recap even with the capitol expenditures in their first year they reduced their costs to ~43% of what was spent in the Regional system. Most of those capitol items will last for many seasons, some maybe in excess of 10 years. Yes there will be some replacements along the way but however you cut it in the long run it will be much cheaper than all the rental equipment that would have been required and of course were a part of the Regional budget.

Under the District System they spent
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