FIRST On A Disturbing Path

[Caleb Fulton]

Knowing his history, why else would he be there?

[Chris Nowak]

Originally posted by Caleb Fulton
Knowing his history, why else would he be there?

perhaps to have fun and support what is all around a good program?

[Wetzel]

Originally posted by Mike Martus
At this point reading the threads I would request that this thread be ended. I am requesting of the posters instead of just closing or deleting it.

I would like to see these boards do a little self governing. Here is the opportunity.

The path of this thread while important to free speech and opinions can cause many hard feelings and be disrespectful.

It has often been said " If you have nothing good to say about someone, say nothing".

Here is not the venue to discuss Mr. Jesse Jackson or other politicians that you may or may not like. All of us do some good and some bad in life. What is "Good" or "Bad" is dependent on where you are in life and your personal views as related to society.

In conclusion...

Please refrain from discussions that can cause more harm than good on these forums.

We ARE about the Community of FIRST lets make this idea of FIRST move to even higher levels in growth and organization.

AIM and IRC are both available.
The first time around.

[Caleb Fulton]

Right now, FIRST is about robotics and Jessie Jackson is about racism....All that I'm saying is that they do not mix.

[Koko Ed]

Originally posted by Caleb Fulton
Right now, FIRST is about robotics and Jessie Jackson is about racism....All that I'm saying is that they do not mix.

Racism?
Do you even know what it is to be discriminated against?
Denying Jesse Jackson the right to come to an event is discrimination. This is America people are free to do as they please. If David Duke shows up on his own accord unfortunately he has the right to be there. It's a public event.

[Caleb Fulton]

He has every right to come, but he does not have the right to get his fingers into the inner workings of FIRST as an organization in order to promote his agenda. He's done it before to other organizations, and I'd hate to see it happen to FIRST.

[Adam Y.]

Racism?

Bleh this is starting to turn ugly. This is more about politics than robotics.

[ComBBAT_Albrot]

Originally posted by Caleb Fulton
He has every right to come, but he does not have the right to get his fingers into the inner workings of FIRST as an organization in order to promote his agenda. He's done it before to other organizations, and I'd hate to see it happen to FIRST.

Has he gotten involved with the inner workings? No.

Let's just leave it at that and listen to Mike. No more.

[Caleb Fulton]

That's what I'm trying to avoid!!!

If I ever said that JJ should not be allowed to come, I apologize. I won't apologize, however, or back down on the idea that JJ should not get away with repeating his historical practices against FIRST. It would just be awful!

[Redhead Jokes]

Originally posted by Caleb Fulton
That's what I'm trying to avoid!!!

*chuckle*

[Adam Y.]

If I ever said that JJ should not be allowed to come, I apologize. I won't apologize, however, or back down on the idea that JJ should not get away with repeating his historical practices against FIRST.

One last question what did he do to FIRST?? Then I am never looking at this topic again.

[Caleb Fulton]

He hasn't done anything, yet, but neither had the guy walking into the bank while he pulls out a ski mask and a colt .45....

I'm not comparing JJ to a bank robber. I'm comparing him to his past practices.

[Etbitmydog]

*my opinion

It is a statistic that 28% of white Americans have a college degree, 21% of black American's have a college degree, 11% of Hispanic American's have a college degree. Found this in my college newspaper. Do you notice the inequality?

I think that at some point, maybe in the near future that such things as Affirmative action should be taken away, and even scholarships for minorities should be gone, but RIGHT NOW? 7 more white American's go to college than blacks, 17 more than Hispanics.

I hope you see a reason why somebody would want to give this scholarship away. Especially to a Hispanic group. This scholarship was probably given targeting this issue. My GUESS is that you're saying that this person did not deserve this scholarship: you don't know this do you? MANY of these scholarships target FINANCIAL NEED in minority groups. I'd know because I've applied. Financial need that may have something to do with the fact that that culture was HISTORICALLY discriminated against. Because somebody's parents, parent's couldn't go to college could affect today's students.

Granted that giving a scholarship to a minority probably isn't fair, but it's a means of accelerating the equality amunst all groups. Until that time comes, to me it won't be disturbing. If it happens after that day comes, it will be disturbing.

This argument does seem to be a lot more about politics than FIRST. ]

On the last note

Your comments are ignorant and misinformed. They are also very poorly stated. I did not say FIRST is responsible for JJ's reputation. JJ is responsible for JJ.

After I read your argument, I thought the same thing you said. Please read what you write before you publish it to make sure it's not on a borderline note. the only ignorant person here is you for saying that.

[Brandon Martus]

Originally posted by Mike Martus
I would like to see these boards do a little self governing. Here is the opportunity.

me too.

[DCaldwell05BCP]

Originally posted by indieFan
I'm rather curious who was offering this "Hispanic Heritage" scholarship. Was it offered by a specific college, or was it offered by a professional society targeting Hispanics, such as SHPE? If it was the latter, then it makes perfect sense that they would limit the qualifications for winning to someone of the target group.

I know that I would personally be annoyed if, as a member of SWE (Society of Women Engineers), SWE offered a scholarship and allowed men to apply for it. I have no problem with men being a part of SWE as it serves, in part, as a networking tool. However, since SWE is targeting women, the scholarship should remain within the target group.

Also, as a college student going for a second bachelor's degree, finding scholarships that apply to my situation is next to impossible. I am not an undergraduate student by the college's definition, but I am not a student working towards a specific master's or PhD degree. Therefore, if I read the fine print of all scholarships, I am not eligible. Do I see this as unfair? Sure. From a graduate/continuing education student, what makes me different from those working towards a specific degree that's a master's or PhD? In my mind, nothing other than the fact that my next degree will say Bachelor of Science. But the people that offer these scholarships have their requirements, and I don't meet them. Knowing this is the reality, however, I have instead looked into other options, such as Work Study programs and loans.

Just my thoughts,
indieFan

The organization was a Chicano group similar to the NAACP. I am sorry I do not remember the name off hand, but anybody at Phoenix who saw the opening ceremonies can testify to the fact that this scholarship was offered. It was made very clear by Mr. Sanghi that the scholarship was for those only of Hispanic Heritage.

I am glad to hear that the SWE also offers scholarships to men. That does not show race/gender bias on their part.