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[marshall]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

To me the idea of helping another team is completely okay. Help away. But suppose that Team A helped Team B before an upcoming competition but Team B could only use the improvements IF they were on alliances that included Team A. Doesn't seem right. Also, before a competition, Team B seems to be in the driver's seat. They can accept the changes or not. It is up to them. But once an alliance is formed, Team B is under much more pressure to accept the cheesecake proposals of their alliance captain whether they like them or not.

I know, I know, Zebracorns feel that they were not taken advantage of. I hear you. And I don't care. Well that is too strong of a statement. I care, in fact, I am happy for Team 900. It was a good experience for you. But I STILL think that such excessive cheesecaking was bad for the sport. The typical team in the future will not have a great experience having their hard work (for 6 weeks ;-) being pushed to the side so that a top team can cheesecake the snot out of them.

Dr. Joe J.

So prior to an alliance being formed, it's acceptable to you to offer to help make a team as competitive as possible but once the alliance is formed it isn't?

Tell you what, forget I brought it up. I'm good without the public display of mental gymnastics that is someone coming to terms with their own cognitive dissonance.

[FrankJ]

Originally Posted by marshall

So prior to an alliance being formed, it's acceptable to you to offer to help make a team as competitive as possible but once the alliance is formed it isn't?

It is a question of degree. Picking a team and making them a ramp anchor and telling not to move isn't inspiring. At least not to me. Admittedly that is an extreme. The Zebracorn collaboration of 2015 is the other extreme. (For those coming late to the party read this thread) Rules generally do a bad job of corner cases. Does that help with your confusion?

[Joe Johnson]

Originally Posted by marshall

So prior to an alliance being formed, it's acceptable to you to offer to help make a team as competitive as possible but once the alliance is formed it isn't?

Tell you what, forget I brought it up. I'm good without the public display of mental gymnastics that is someone coming to terms with their own cognitive dissonance.

Marshall, Marshall, Marshall...

I have obviously offended you (and all of Team 900?). That wasn't my intent. Sorry for that.

AND... I have a views on how the world should work. I do my best to come up with a consistent set of values which you graciously call mental gymnastics and talk of cognitive dissonance.

From my point of view, our differences boil down to this: regarding excessive cheesecaking, I come down against it while you come down on the other side.

Can we disagree without insulting each other? Maybe?


Dr. Joe J.