What do you think about how easy theyre making programming?

[Tom Bottiglieri]

This thread disgusts me.

FIRST is giving you a great tool, and you are bad mouthing them because it "dumbs down programming"

As far as I see this, these tools are just a basis FIRST gives us to springboard to new heights. FIRST has given us drill motor transmissons and the tools to build a bot right from the KOP in the last few years, but you dont see people complaining that they didnt make it themselves.

Use these tools as a starting point, not as an end product.

[mikew]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

This thread disgusts me.

FIRST is giving you a great tool, and you are bad mouthing them because it "dumbs down programming"

As far as I see this, these tools are just a basis FIRST gives us to springboard to new heights. FIRST has given us drill motor transmissons and the tools to build a bot right from the KOP in the last few years, but you dont see people complaining that they didnt make it themselves.

Use these tools as a starting point, not as an end product.

Hey hey, calm down, every programmer has a right to feel pissed. Now it's very very difficult for teams to compete and have an advantage due to good programming. Programming has always been at a bit of a disadvantage, since I doubt there are many mentors on teams who code for a living. I imagine teams try to get mechanical engineers and people of that sort more than programmers. It feels like FIRST is trying to eliminate any challange in programming by giving all these premade packages, but I personally think it lets those teams without awesome programmers to compete on the same level, and gives those with great programmers a challenge.