Bad Call at Angels Sox game

[EricH]

I'm going to use an analogy here: In soccer, there is a rule. The rule is, "If the ref didn't see it, it didn't happen." Application (if baseball has a similar rule): If the ump did not see the ball touch the ground, then it did not touch the ground, and the batter is out. If he saw the ball touch the ground, then it touched the ground, and the batter is out on a swinging strike anyway (unless the catcher dropped it, and the ump saw that.)

Meanwhile, it's water over the dam, spilled milk, etc. Let's drop the subject and get on with life. I am seeing people warming up their lawyerism, which is not a good thing when we are coming up on build season.

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by EricH

...In soccer, there is a rule. The rule is, "If the ref didn't see it, it didn't happen." ...

Wow! That's a curious rule. If you were on a bus and sombody in the back opened a can of sardines, would you not know it because you didn't see it? Or what if someone fired a gun on the other side of the ridge, would you say it didn't happen?

A major league umpire calls over 200 pitches per game and well over 100 games per year. He knows when a pitch scrapes the ground before hitting the mitt, or is trapped instead of caught clean. With hundres of thousands of pitches worth of experience, he's seen, heard, and felt it all.

There's no doubt in my mind that Eddings knows he got it right. It turned out bad for the Angles, but it was their bad, not his.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

Wow! That's a curious rule. If you were on a bus and sombody in the back opened a can of sardines, would you not know it because you didn't see it? Or what if someone fired a gun on the other side of the ridge, would you say it didn't happen?

Actually, in soccer it applies to just what happens to/around the ball. If you hit the ball with your hand, but the ref doesn't see it (which is unlikely), you're safe, even if the other team yells at the ref for it. Another example: I once did a legal slide tackle (from the front or side) on an opponent, but the ref saw it as the opponent tripping me (a foul). Ref didn't see the slide, so it was not a slide. And in a soccer game, the ref can see about the whole field if he needs to, so he will likely see something if it happens.

It would not necessarily apply outside the sports area though. I mean, it's not like I could say that you didn't build a robot because I didn't see you do it or anything like that...

And the other thing about soccer: you can't get the ref to change his mind. You can try, but it's probably a waste of time. Kind of like FIRST. Maybe baseball should adopt something like this?

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

Wow! That's a curious rule. If you were on a bus and sombody in the back opened a can of sardines, would you not know it because you didn't see it? Or what if someone fired a gun on the other side of the ridge, would you say it didn't happen?

A major league umpire calls over 200 pitches per game and well over 100 games per year. He knows when a pitch scrapes the ground before hitting the mitt, or is trapped instead of caught clean. With hundres of thousands of pitches worth of experience, he's seen, heard, and felt it all.

There's no doubt in my mind that Eddings knows he got it right. It turned out bad for the Angles, but it was their bad, not his.

As it applies to sports, the analogy is 100% true.

You're absolutely positvely sure he got it right, the next person is absolutely positively sure he got it wrong... blah blah blah.

There's one thing I'm sure about--and that's that we're all wrong. There's no way anyone knows what the call should have been. It's too close.

[Denman]

you should have seen the rugby game i just watched
the first half took about 55 minutes (instead of 40) due to injury time etc( they stop the clock)
In the last 5 minutes of the first , there was 2 sin bins (one on each team), then about a minute later there was a fight broke out, and the camera caught it , red card for both, 3 injuries in that time too
secondh alf , the conversion was flagged as in by the linesmen but on camera replay was out
bad call
but you have to live by it
it meant the game was a draw

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Cory

There's no way anyone knows what the call should have been. It's too close.

Reminds me of the situation at the end of the last match of the 2003 Los Angeles regional. I know there's a few of us out there who still remember it.