Percentage of Work Done by Students.

[Matt Reiland]

I don't know about the rest of you but our robot was 100% built by team 226. Our team consists of students, parents, teachers, engineers, and alumni.

In most teams, usually you win or lose as a team not as a subset of the group. The one thing I hate more than anything is working on a team and having others in the team taking all the credit. As I say every year, so you built your robot with just students, yippee, woo hooo, you built it totally with engineers or mentors, fantastic, a mix of both..... super duper. I really, really, really don't care. At least in my business one of the key things that the executive director at GM always tells us is that the customer doesn't care about which brand of PLC or robot we use to build cars or whose specification we used to program the PLC's. The customer does however care about the end product not necessarily how we got there. Just a little food for thought.

Are there any other teams out there that built there robot as a TEAM???

[blaskay16]

I can honestly say that team 815 was 100% designed and built by the students and we almost won the GLR im extremly prouond of my team

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by Matt Reiland

I don't know about the rest of you but our robot was 100% built by team 226. Our team consists of students, parents, teachers, engineers, and alumni.

In most teams, usually you win or lose as a team not as a subset of the group. The one thing I hate more than anything is working on a team and having others in the team taking all the credit. As I say every year, so you built your robot with just students, yippee, woo hooo, you built it totally with engineers or mentors, fantastic, a mix of both..... super duper. I really, really, really don't care. At least in my business one of the key things that the executive director at GM always tells us is that the customer doesn't care about which brand of PLC or robot we use to build cars or whose specification we used to program the PLC's. The customer does however care about the end product not necessarily how we got there. Just a little food for thought.

Read this message. Read it again. Study it. Engrave it in brass, and staple it to your forehead. This is a message of wisdom from someone that "gets it."

[Chris Fultz]

Originally Posted by Matt Reiland

I don't know about the rest of you but our robot was 100% built by team 226. Our team consists of students, parents, teachers, engineers, and alumni.

In most teams, usually you win or lose as a team not as a subset of the group. The one thing I hate more than anything is working on a team and having others in the team taking all the credit.

Are there any other teams out there that built there robot as a TEAM???

Matt,

You beat me to the post / thought. I really couldn't tell you what percentage of our robot is student built and engineer / adult built. We all work together, through brainstorming, drawings on chalk boards, prototypes, Inventor, making parts and putting things together. Ideas fly everywhere and the best ones land on the robot and it would be hard to define who suggested what. There are usually several hands on wrenches and drills and machines and no one really worries about whose hands they are, as long as they are trained in how to use the tool properly.

We work as a team, win or lose as a team, and continue to grow and develop as a team. I would welcome the perspective of some of our current or alumni students on this topic.

[David Hoff]

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz

We work as a team, win or lose as a team, and continue to grow and develop as a team. I would welcome the perspective of some of our current or alumni students on this topic.

I would completely agree with you Chris. Practically every part on our robot has been built by engineers and students, not just one or the other. We, the students, are ambitious and eager to do as much as we can, but we wouldn't learn the correct processes, techniques, or anything new without the guidance of the engineers and mentors.

Cyber Blue doesn't only use this concept for our manufacturing subteam. Our website, public relations, electronics, and other subteams are all collaborations of our students and mentors.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by Matt Reiland

I don't know about the rest of you but our robot was 100% built by team 226. Our team consists of students, parents, teachers, engineers, and alumni.

In most teams, usually you win or lose as a team not as a subset of the group. The one thing I hate more than anything is working on a team and having others in the team taking all the credit. As I say every year, so you built your robot with just students, yippee, woo hooo, you built it totally with engineers or mentors, fantastic, a mix of both..... super duper. I really, really, really don't care. At least in my business one of the key things that the executive director at GM always tells us is that the customer doesn't care about which brand of PLC or robot we use to build cars or whose specification we used to program the PLC's. The customer does however care about the end product not necessarily how we got there. Just a little food for thought.

Are there any other teams out there that built there robot as a TEAM???

Bravo Matt, you've got it right.

FIRST is not advanced shop class.
FIRST is not about the robot.
It doesn't matter who designed and built the robot.

Science and Technology can solve difficult problems, but not without people. FIRST is about training people to work as a TEAM to accomplish some (fiendishly difficult) task.

Students do most of the work at Team 1676, but that's just because we are lucky to have kids who understand how to make stuff, and a school with fairly decent facilities. Teams who send their robot design out for fabrication aren't any less of a team for doing that.

However I would prevail upon all adults involved in the program to step back and ask if a student could do the task. If so, let them. It's their mistake to make and their lesson to learn.

Don

[KillerCows456]

We are 100% Student built, we had no help from any one.
except the closest thing to an engineer we had was the auto shop teacher and we used his help in the machine shop. He was the supervisor that we used in order for us to use the power tools.