Championship Wager: John V-Neun vs. Steve Rourke

[Paul Copioli]

The problem with this bet is the pure logistics. Three shooters is the way to go, but it isn't going to happen the way the draft is set-up. The formula this year is two shooters and one defensive bot. If any of the divisions are stacked with enough good shooters to get three on one alliance, then they are the clear favorites in my mind (so I agree with John); but no division will be that stacked (so I agree with Steve).

By the way, I will be running for office in 2008 ....

-Paul

[dubious elise]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

...then they are the clear favorites in my mind (so I agree with John); but no division will be that stacked (so I agree with Steve).

Paul, do you need Steve to add another option just for you? I'm not sure that I can vote for a flip-flopper, but maybe some others can

[Chris Fultz]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

(so I agree with John); (so I agree with Steve).

By the way, I will be running for office in 2008 ....

-Paul

Being from Indiana, where we can actually make a decision (notice we decided after just 30 years of debate to go back to dalight savings time), I will choose just one of the options and - I go with Steve (who, by the way, I don't even know, but maybe can meet in Atlanta or somewhere, but that is irrelevant to the question.)

ps - Paul, glad I am in Indiana and will not have the pressure of wanting to vote for a friend, while knowing it is probably the wrong thing do do for the best interests of society as a whole....

EDIT - I just noticed we are in the same division as 217. OF COURSE I would vote for you, Paul....

[B.Johnston]

I would even go further than Steve in asserting that a team with a solid "ALL_ROUNDER" like a Triplet, 229 or 217 AND 2 "EXTREME_DEFENDERS" like 1305 with a high percentage autonomous mode on the part of the shooter could WIN it all.

We almost did in Toronto!!! (1680, 1305, 1419 and 1620)

P.S. A Sprocket, A Sprocket... My Kingdom for a non-frangible Sprocket!!!

AAARRGH!!

[Lil' Lavery]

I would tend to agree with Steve, but the 10 point value he used makes me swing the other way. Defensive bots almost always, and most likely will, have some scoring capability, even if it is just the corner goal. Because bots can start with 10 balls, they should have very little problem scoring 10 points during their offensive period (then returning to defense for the majority of the match). Also consider that the 10 point "corner dump" is one of the hardest to defend plays in this year's game, especially during autonomous.
Beyond that, herding can be the best "bait" for a defensive bot in this year's game. Remember what 45 did against 1503 in Q93 in GTR? When 1503 went to reload near the HP station, 45 locked them in, and it took 1503 the rest of the match just to get back across the field with 45 hounding them. That is defense a back-bot can play as well. This also can work in reverse, and result with the defensive bot being pinned in when they herd though...

And nothing against the triplets, who were AWESOME this year, and their alliance structuring obv works, but they could have had a better combination. Imho, a triplet with a ramp shooter > 2 tripelts (ei the 159 points match with 703 and 1503).

[Alex Cormier]

So, does the few balls 522 scored go over the 10 points to have John lose the bet?

[Tim Delles]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

And nothing against the triplets, who were AWESOME this year, and their alliance structuring obv works, but they could have had a better combination. Imho, a triplet with a ramp shooter > 2 tripelts (ei the 159 points match with 703 and 1503).

Just so you know the triplets could shoot from the ramp. They attached a piece of lexan on a servo that would flip up and deflect the balls upward more when they came out of the shooter. This allowed for them to shoot from the ramp.

But I really don't know who won this bet though

[JVN]

In Final 1, I'm told 522 scored 6 balls (after watching the fourth ball go in, I was too busy gloating to keep counting).

We were watching the Final-4 together, and Steve Rourke handed over a crisp Canadian $20 bill with his signature on it.

I honestly think Steve won the spirit of the bet, but based on the terms and conditions set, I won, and brought home the prize as well as bragging rights.

I acknowledge the wisdom of his position, and concede that he was 90% right.

-JV
PS - I argued that the balls 195 passed to 968 should count, but Steve ruled that was silly.

[rourke]

Originally Posted by JVN

In Final 1, I'm told 522 scored 6 balls (after watching the fourth ball go in, I was too busy gloating to keep counting).

We were watching the Final-4 together, and Steve Rourke handed over a crisp Canadian $20 bill with his signature on it.

I honestly think Steve won the spirit of the bet, but based on the terms and conditions set, I won, and brought home the prize as well as bragging rights.

I acknowledge the wisdom of his position, and concede that he was 90% right.

-JV
PS - I argued that the balls 195 passed to 968 should count, but Steve ruled that was silly.

I may have been 90% right, but I'm 100% poorer. I was standing beside JVN, and based on how things began unfolding in the semi's on Einstein he ALMOST capitulated before the finals. Oh well, there's always next year (1114 has heard that a million times already ). On the flip side, it's probably the most fun I've had for $20 bucks in a long time!

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by rourke

Oh well, there's always next year (1114 has heard that a million times already ).

I'm pretty sure it's more than a million. And it hasn't even been a week yet. (Although it feels like it's been months.)

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Tim Delles

Just so you know the triplets could shoot from the ramp. They attached a piece of lexan on a servo that would flip up and deflect the balls upward more when they came out of the shooter. This allowed for them to shoot from the ramp.

But I really don't know who won this bet though

yeah, but you can't even pretend to argue that the triplets shoot as quickly or as effectively on the ramp as 968 was shooting in the finals (or several other ramp shooters).

Congatulations John on winning another bet.
(heh my prediction was true, defensive bots, but the numbers gave John the bet)

[Paul Copioli]

As soon as we picked 522, I knew John was going to win the bet. In almost every match, 522 would score at least 4 of their 6 starting balls during our offense period and make it back in time to play defense during the free for all.

[jax1488]

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli

As soon as we picked 522, I knew John was going to win the bet. In almost every match, 522 would score at least 4 of their 6 starting balls during our offense period and make it back in time to play defense during the free for all.

yea... we would usually shoot 6 balls in the first part of the match (auton.) and then shoot the other 4 later.. but we decided to be ramming the other robots... which i lined up... and it seemed to work out really well...