pic: How illegal is that?

[geeknerd99]

I looked at the EXIF, and (assuming the camera clock was correct) this indeed was on Thursday. 1:40 PM, in fact.

I suppose the moral of the picture is train your human player well?

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by GeeForce

It's violating <G48> (only human player can touch the tubes), but in response to the question it's not horribly illegal, only minorly

Actually, <G47> says any team member, including the coach, can touch game pieces. <G48> says it must be the HP who enters the ringers onto the field.

Originally Posted by CaseyKasem77

Looks like due to the amount of people in the crowd that was on thursday during practice matches. So i guess it could be forgivable if it was during practice matches not actual qualifying matches.

Also the people standing along side the field are dressed in crew shirts, not ref shirts. I agree with the Thursday guess.

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by geeknerd99

I looked at the EXIF, and (assuming the camera clock was correct) this indeed was on Thursday. 1:40 PM, in fact.

I suppose the moral of the picture is train your human player well?

It's not the human player's fault. It's that extra person's fault for touching the tube

The human player could be the best human player in the world, and know all of the rules perfectly. But that extra driver/coach...

So, the real moral of the story: Train your entire drive team well

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Hm... arm coming out of her head anyone? Heh... I think it's pretty hilarious actually. I could care less if it was penalized. Sure does look like a practice match. Assuming that he's just teaching her how to place the ringer on the robot, nice job providing a good example.

[Libby K]

I'm just gonna skip over all the 'how much of a deduction was that?!' discussion and say this:

Yaaaaaaaaaaay teamwork!

[Joe Menassa]

Is there a reason that this photo is tagged with not only the team shown, but the person involved? I am assuming that based on that, it is supposed to be funny, which is totally fine...

[Stu Bloom]

Originally Posted by Budda648

Hm... arm coming out of her head anyone? Heh... I think it's pretty hilarious actually. I could care less if it was penalized. Sure does look like a practice match. Assuming that he's just teaching her how to place the ringer on the robot, nice job providing a good example.

I'd say it looks more like she is teaching him ...

Dangerous strategy though ... we had to impose a few penalties in NJ for robot and/or HP breaking the plane while trying that type of exchange.

[mtaman02]

I have a question there were cut outs for the HP to easily & safely hand the Ringer to the robot right? so why is it that teams feel it necessary to hand the ringer over the wall and risk the robot & the team penalties / even a DQ. Has anyone used the cutouts provided to hand ringers to the robot?

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by mtaman02

I have a question there were cut outs for the HP to easily & safely hand the Ringer to the robot right? so why is it that teams feel it necessary to hand the ringer over the wall and risk the robot & the team penalties / even a DQ. Has anyone used the cutouts provided to hand ringers to the robot?

There is a thread that asks which teams use the cut out, you might want to check that as it probably has mre responses than you will get here.

MAny teams that go over the wall rather than through the slot do it because the orientation is different. over the wall the ringer is parallel to the floor, the slot is perpendicular.

[Steve W]

To be different, I see nothing wrong with this picture. A moment frozen in time. If I were a Ref I would need to wait until the tube was released. The person may be bringing it back to the station. There is no rule on 2 people touching the tube. Unless both people released at the exact same time then there may be only 1 person putting the tube on the field.


Just a few observations to open up the thinking process.

[ALIBI]

It was hard for me to tell from the picture. It looks like the tube has crossed the vertical plane of the alliance station wall. Assuming that it has, I would argue that the tube, since it broke the vertical plane of the playing field, has been entered into the playing field and that can only be done by the one and only human player. That is unless all three of the alliance partner's human players are passing the same tube over the wall.

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Steve W

To be different, I see nothing wrong with this picture. A moment frozen in time. If I were a Ref I would need to wait until the tube was released. The person may be bringing it back to the station. There is no rule on 2 people touching the tube. Unless both people released at the exact same time then there may be only 1 person putting the tube on the field.


Just a few observations to open up the thinking process.

I agree completely

[1359th Scalawag]

Originally Posted by GeeForce

It's violating <G48> (only human player can touch the tubes), but in response to the question it's not horribly illegal, only minorly

Anybody in the alliance station can handle the tubes, but the human players are the only ones allowed to enter them onto the feild.

[vic burg]

I believe because the tubes are supposed to go through the chute, and not over the alliance wall, that is an illegal move. Along with it being two people holding the tube. Which, it is understandable if she was losing her grip on the tube, but then again, even more reason why you shouldn't put it over the wall.
Unless I am mistaken. But, that is what I recall.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by vic burg

I believe because the tubes are supposed to go through the chute, and not over the alliance wall, that is an illegal move. Along with it being two people holding the tube. Which, it is understandable if she was losing her grip on the tube, but then again, even more reason why you shouldn't put it over the wall.
Unless I am mistaken. But, that is what I recall.

You are mistaken. Passing over the wall is legal, as long as neither the robot nor the human breaks the plane. It was made clear in a Q&A as I recall.