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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

Thou shalt becometh pinned in eliminations.

That's what happens to all the good bots . I'm glad to see another unique design for a shooter!
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

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Thou shalt becometh pinned in eliminations.

That's what happens to all the good bots . I'm glad to see another unique design for a shooter!
I agree, though if they have a good driver one can hope they'll be ok.

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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

Out of curiosity, what is your firing rate? That's a very neat shooter design - but I'm wondering how quickly you can cycle balls through it and maintain your accuracy.
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

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Out of curiosity, what is your firing rate? That's a very neat shooter design - but I'm wondering how quickly you can cycle balls through it and maintain your accuracy.
If we want to shoot up close is has no speed up time so balls can fire one after another. With the longer ranges, it takes a small amount of time in between each shot but it is not very noticeable. If we used 2 fisher price motors to power it, it would be really fast firing rate, but we don't have to weight for it and we already used the other fp for the intake collector. To compensate we have slowed down the spiral to keep accuracy consistent.
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

we thought we would be invincible with our awesome drive train, but don't brag on it. we we where in the quarters we got shut down because they decided to have two-three robots to pin us. that swerve drive looks like it's too reactive. are you guys considering switching to crab in the middle of a match? even with the ability to use swerve and crab we still got pined. also tracking might be the hard thing. you will have to be dead on to make it and driving will be a pain since your turret doesn't move. at kc bots just seemed to attract to a large group that transversed the field. it's kind-of like team titanium 1986's robot which does a lot of the same distances, except with a catapult. they turned out to be dud's because they where only good for empty cell delivery. not as glamorous as it seems. good luck though.
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

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we thought we would be invincible with our awesome drive train, but don't brag on it. we we where in the quarters we got shut down because they decided to have two-three robots to pin us. that swerve drive looks like it's too reactive. are you guys considering switching to crab in the middle of a match? even with the ability to use swerve and crab we still got pined. also tracking might be the hard thing. you will have to be dead on to make it and driving will be a pain since your turret doesn't move. at kc bots just seemed to attract to a large group that transversed the field. it's kind-of like team titanium 1986's robot which does a lot of the same distances, except with a catapult. they turned out to be dud's because they where only good for empty cell delivery. not as glamorous as it seems. good luck though.
The drive isn't too sensitive. In the video was when we were testing it and we were using different code and different drivers. Our drivers are great with the drive. Our turret does move. It is on a 180 degree turret. Thanks for the input.
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The drive isn't too sensitive. In the video was when we were testing it and we were using different code and different drivers. Our drivers are great with the drive. Our turret does move. It is on a 180 degree turret. Thanks for the input.
do you guys have any setting with your camera? you might want to look into having a laptop as part as your driver station (you can apparently have a video output only this way though (legally)) so you can have the turret driver aim at the target. to help him a gyro to keep it pointed in the same direction the the turret driver moves it to would be useful, so your drivers aren't fighting each other in the middle of a match. (if you've ever played halo 3 and have been in the warthog turret, same concept). robot tracking has looked nice on some, but it can be bad. that's why i suggest using the laptop.
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do you guys have any setting with your camera? you might want to look into having a laptop as part as your driver station (you can apparently have a video output only this way though (legally)) so you can have the turret driver aim at the target. to help him a gyro to keep it pointed in the same direction the the turret driver moves it to would be useful, so your drivers aren't fighting each other in the middle of a match. (if you've ever played halo 3 and have been in the warthog turret, same concept). robot tracking has looked nice on some, but it can be bad. that's why i suggest using the laptop.
Has anyone tried doing this at a week 1 regional? I have heard that the Driver Station will not have enough speed to process the videoat a helpful rate. Now I know that the DS can process it fine, however the competition ports will not allow for enough speed.
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

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Has anyone tried doing this at a week 1 regional? I have heard that the Driver Station will not have enough speed to process the videoat a helpful rate. Now I know that the DS can process it fine, however the competition ports will not allow for enough speed.
After competing in the NJ regional, i can say that: part of the inspection is asking you if you have setup to do this, as it is completely illegal. i think the reasoning was that FIRST was worried that it would take up too much bandwidth, and prevent driver communication with the robots.

That being said, part of our control system was a Q1 tablet pc, which is used to display sensor and motor readings, to aid us in driving. The inspector was sure to ask that we did not try to send live video, only values.
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

I think we decided that live video feed would not really be helpful anyways because there would be too much delay.
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

wow great design and good bot

It is truly a small world by the way. I was going to Salem Middle school in Apex and would have gone to Apex High before i moved up north to Illinois. I am glad to see that i might have still been on a FRC team if i had not moved.
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It is truly a small world by the way. I was going to Salem Middle school in Apex and would have gone to Apex High before i moved up north to Illinois. I am glad to see that i might have still been on a FRC team if i had not moved.
Very cool. We have a student from Apex high on the team. He is the valedictorian there, and he found out about the team because he used to go to our school. NC doesn't have too many teams yet but we are working on it.
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part of the inspection is asking you if you have setup to do this, as it is completely illegal.
That's simply not true. It's not on the inspection checklist, and the Q&A has confirmed that it is legal, though potentially not practical. It's always a good idea to be armed with the rules in case an inspector or referee tries to tell you something different.
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Yup. The Force Team (1073) had a laptop set up next to their operator's controls that was definitely playing video live from the camera. I don't know anything about the Axis camera, but the video was in odd colors, but you could certainly make out the shapes of the goals and robots. It wasn't a fantastic frame rate, but it was definitely updating a couple of times a second.
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Re: Team 2108 Video!! Powerful Shooter

Thanks for the info. We could work on that. We have an extra controller, camera, and the other needed junk. We could try having direct video. Thanks for all the input. We are going to VCU by the way.
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