pic: 2009 FRC Medals - New Design!

[Molten]

Originally Posted by Madison

I would expect that you are providing them with other data that demonstrates the value of their ongoing contributions.

A professional presentation of the season usually does the trick. Besides, 1766 usually gets its funds through grants and the sort.

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Molten

To put it simply, I don't care about them. If my sponsor is going to care about trophy size, maybe they shouldn't be sponsoring a robotics team. My experience is that the companies that care about petty things such as trophy size, generally are going to sponsor the football team anyway. Those that sponsor robotics care more about the students then the picture opportunities.

Dollars don't know intent. I guarantee you that much of the money supporting FIRST teams comes (unfortunately) in the form of tax writeoffs from otherwise apathetic corporations. And you better believe that big trophies at a demo can help direct the dollars at those particular board meetings.

(Nobody has ever accused me of not being a pragmatist)

[Alivia]

Originally Posted by JVN

I heard McDonalds was going to shrink the size of their hamburgers but keep the price the same. Economic crisis, after all.

Well, that's just ridiculous.

In a FIRST context though, I'm pretty sure that the new, small trophies do indeed cost less than the original trophies. Otherwise, there'd be no point for the change. (Of course, that's assuming that the change was specifically made to cut costs).

I agree with Jane, however. If you don't like the new trophies (or any other policy for that matter), make sure to inform FIRST of your opinion. They won't know if you don't speak up.

[Akash Rastogi]

Lol I'm surprised this conversation continued for so long.

For those of you who don't care about the trophy size, then please stop posting in the thread. Those of us who do care are unlikely to change our minds (I know I am).

For those of us who DID submit into the survey, what did you actually write? If you didn't submit one, then please do so.

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by JVN

I heard McDonalds was going to shrink the size of their hamburgers but keep the price the same. Economic crisis, after all.

WHAT?? I'm already dishing daily $3.13 (w/tax) for a large ice coffee everyday after it just went up 40 cents.......hehe.


In seriousness on some of the other posts, I'm all for different size trophies, as the level of expectations, difficulty, and celebrations in receiving the more prestigious ones (EI and CA) should coincide with its size.

We do a lot of events, and I think size does matter. Its not even about the money part. If we had to pay for them, I would as my point is that the recognition of receiving an award that is appropriate to its size shouldnt be factored into the money portion. But yes I know, IT IS.

[Molten]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

For those of you who don't care about the trophy size, then please stop posting in the thread. Those of us who do care are unlikely to change our minds (I know I am).

I guess some people will never know the true meaning of Christmas. Oh well, message received. This is my last post in this thread, as long as nobody specifically asks me a question or comments directly towards me.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Molten

I guess some people will never know the true meaning of Christmas.

There's more people than just me that feel both ways. I know what a win without a trophy would represent, and what a win with a huge trophy would represent. I know its all the same thing at the end of the day.

Read my post on Bill's blog as it sums up how I felt about this.

Coming from a team that is highly successful in FIRST and is like a posterchild for FRC: (emphasis mine)

Originally Posted by Jared341

Dollars don't know intent. I guarantee you that much of the money supporting FIRST teams comes (unfortunately) in the form of tax writeoffs from otherwise apathetic corporations. And you better believe that big trophies at a demo can help direct the dollars at those particular board meetings.

(Nobody has ever accused me of not being a pragmatist)

[Chexposito]

I kind of like the new medals. they're not too much and not too little. also anybody notice that the engineering inspiration trophy is the same as the rest. i really haven't noticed it before, but for a trip to atlanta you would think that it would be a decent size. especially considering the second place finalists get a bigger trophy and don't get a trip. also there was no engineering inspiration banner, really surprised me also since it's a trip to atlanta. no complaints just observations

[thefro526]

Not to step up on a pedestal here but....

This whole discussion of Awards seems little petty. At a certain point in time who cares about the size of the trophy? IMO, all a trophy should do is remind you of what you did to earn it.

I think to much emphasis is put on the Awards. I'd much rather go out and play some great matches and make some awesome friends then win awards. If you're just in it for the awards you're missing out on a lot.

(This Post is not directed towards any individual but the FIRST community as a whole)

[A_Reed]

Originally Posted by Chexposito

I kind of like the new medals. they're not too much and not too little. also anybody notice that the engineering inspiration trophy is the same as the rest. i really haven't noticed it before, but for a trip to atlanta you would think that it would be a decent size. especially considering the second place finalists get a bigger trophy and don't get a trip. also there was no engineering inspiration banner, really surprised me also since it's a trip to atlanta. no complaints just observations

I don't recall it ever having a banner.

[Chexposito]

Originally Posted by A_Reed

I don't recall it ever having a banner.

i haven't really looked into it but one of our banners on the pit is a website banner... not really as big as engineering inspiration if you ask me.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by thefro526

If you're just in it for the awards you're missing out on a lot.

That's quite an assumption there Dustin You know me, you know I'm not in it for the awards. That isn't the point I was trying to make.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Chexposito

i haven't really looked into it but one of our banners on the pit is a website banner... not really as big as engineering inspiration if you ask me.

It's possible to order banners from FIRST with whatever you want on it (they're $200 each IIRC). To my knowledge, FIRST has never given out banners for any awards other than Champions and Chairman's.

[Chexposito]

well my team would fork over $200 for something like that
rolls eyes...
even though we're trying to raise a truckload of money to get the team to atlanta without paying if for ourselves out of pocket.

[Libby K]

Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux

Any reason behind not having the sponsor banners at each regional? Buckeye was missing these banners as well and only had the FIRST logo in their places.

Keep the big awards for the Chairman's Award. Having that big trophy is just the coolest thing and the teams who receive the Chairman's Award have earned it.

I get the feeling it's expensive to reprint them every year as the sponsors change.