pic: 848 Puts a Massive Pin on 399

[Greg Needel]

I hope there was a penalty assessed for this interaction. Anyone want to fill those of us who were not there in?

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

I hope there was a penalty assessed for this interaction. Anyone want to fill those of us who were not there in?

Who would the penalty be assessed to??

[robodude03]

We were worried about the pin and were pleasantly surprised when 848 pulled away. We were quickly able to maneuver our way out and score some more.

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

Who would the penalty be assessed to??

I would say 848 for contact outside the bumper zone.

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

I would say 848 for contact outside the bumper zone.

I don't see how you could assess a penalty to them for contact outside the bumper zone when their robots bumpers are within the bumper zone.

I just can't see how a penalty can be applied to this situation. It is unfortunate that 399 was in a position like that which made them more than likely unable to move for a majority of the match, but I highly doubt 848 wedged under them and lifted to initiate contact outside of the bumper zone.

Just my 2 cents.

-Brando

[robodude03]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

I don't see how you could assess a penalty to them for contact outside the bumper zone when their robots bumpers are within the bumper zone.

I just can't see how a penalty can be applied to this situation. It is unfortunate that 399 was in a position like that which made them more than likely unable to move for a majority of the match, but I highly doubt 848 wedged under them and lifted to initiate contact outside of the bumper zone.

Just my 2 cents.

-Brando

That's exactly why we didn't challenge it. Anyhow 848 ended up pulling away which gave us the chance to take the match.

[Brad Voracek]

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

I hope there was a penalty assessed for this interaction. Anyone want to fill those of us who were not there in?

This type of interaction occured at least 4 times to us in quarter and semi finals. (a bot climbed under us or on top of us during a pin)

There were no penaltys assessed on robots in any match. It could have changed outcomes of some matches, but oh well.

(We didn't challenge it because we weren't sure if it was a penalty or not. If someone finds out if it is, or isn't, it would be nice to know. I was fine with it because the calls were consistent both ways. We ended up under a robot at one point tooo)

[Jared Russell]

Why would there be a penalty for this, especially on 848? 848 has "four wheels on the floor" and is initiating contact within its own bumper zone. To add insult to injury, it looks like 399 could have been flagged for either a height violation or the bumpers being out of the bumper zone when tipped (though 848 probably caused 399 to violate these rules, so no penalties would be the correct call).

Obviously I wasn't there, so I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but from *this picture alone*, I don't see what 848 did wrong.

<G32>, especially sections B, C, and D, does not explicitly outlaw this type of defense in my opinion (unless 848 used some sort of wedge to get 399 off the ground).