capping the tower

[EricH]

Originally Posted by lineskier

The round tubes have a diameter of 12" and are flexible, the disks at the top of the poll are 12" too. This means that potentially the disk could fall down the to the bottom.

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1) Field reset will want to do mean things to you. They have to remove the tubes.
2) If I were the head ref, I'd see intentional blocking. Boom, red card. See that blue box below <G24>? It's not a rule, but it does say something about throwing tubes at minibots climbing. I'd figure on that being enough to pull the card; you are interfering with deployment.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by EricH

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1) Field reset will want to do mean things to you. They have to remove the tubes.
2) If I were the head ref, I'd see intentional blocking. Boom, red card. See that blue box below <G24>? It's not a rule, but it does say something about throwing tubes at minibots climbing. I'd figure on that being enough to pull the card; you are interfering with deployment.

Right, but the action took place during teleop, and this is the big question I have, if you do something during telelop can you be penalized for it during the end game.

if it was done, i'd assume the same rule for minibot would apply, you got them on, you have to get them off.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by lineskier

Right, but the action took place during teleop, and this is the big question I have, if you do something during telelop can you be penalized for it during the end game.

If I pin your robot at the end of teleop, can the penalty be called in the endgame?

If you do something during teleop and you can't be called for that action in the endgame, boy will there be a lot of pins when the lights start flashing.

It's a deliberate action taken to prevent a minibot from climbing. The rule does not say, In the End Game, you can't interfere with deployment/climbing. It says, You can't interfere, with no time limit given. So if I slam an Ubertube over your post's target autonomously, and it interferes with minibot deployment (which it probably will), and I don't get a red card, you're going to be in the question box explaining to the ref that you couldn't deploy because I slammed an Ubertube over your target. (In that case, I'd also get a penalty. But I might view the penalty as minor compared to the race points.)

Deliberate interference=red card.

[MarcD79]

RE: SteveGpage. Human player may only offer robot a tube via the designated slot. It can't be tossed into the arena over the player station.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by MarcD79

RE: SteveGpage. Human player may only offer robot a tube via the designated slot. It can't be tossed into the arena over the player station.

I'm tired of quoting the manual for today so all I will say is "Try again".

[SteveGPage]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

I'm tired of quoting the manual for today so all I will say is "Try again".

RTFM! Read the FIRST manual!

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by SteveGPage

RTFM! Read the FIRST manual!

Haha. thanks for clarifying, that was awesome.

[SteveGPage]

Originally Posted by MarcD79

RE: SteveGpage. Human player may only offer robot a tube via the designated slot. It can't be tossed into the arena over the player station.

See <G57>

[DavidGitz]

Originally Posted by EricH

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1) Field reset will want to do mean things to you. They have to remove the tubes.

I understand where you're coming from, and I know that the volunteers put in a lot of work at competitions (I've been one of them), but if there is are no rules specifically saying you can't do something, and there is not an update to change that rule, it really doesn't matter what the field reset people think or not. My team is not going to design a robot based on what the field reset people think about what work will be required of them, we are going to design it to win the competition within the spirit and written word of the rules.

Obviously safety does play a big factor into this kind of thing, but if this is foreseen an update should clarify it if the GDC does indeed to believe it to be a safety issue. Otherwise the field reset people should have a ladder.

Also, I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with this idea (which I do think is a good idea, if it proves legal) but discussing this specific point.

[Rion Atkinson]

Originally Posted by DavidGitz

I understand where you're coming from, and I know that the volunteers put in a lot of work at competitions (I've been one of them), but if there is are no rules specifically saying you can't do something, and there is not an update to change that rule, it really doesn't matter what the field reset people think or not. My team is not going to design a robot based on what the field reset people think about what work will be required of them, we are going to design it to win the competition within the spirit and written word of the rules.

Eric was a volunteer. Field reset people are volunteers. You were a volunteer. The head ref is a volunteer. We are all humans. We all read the rules, we all interpret the rules. I'm with Eric. I don't see this as being legal. And I also see it as making the field reset people mad. Who aren't exactly going to be willing to give you a sort bit longer to mess with your robot, if you're the reason they have to wrestle this tube off the tower every match.