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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

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Edit: AndyMark's kitbot is a life-saver. Seriously. 1678 has started not opting-out of the kitbot so we can build one for ourselves each year and be better prepared to help local teams with theirs. Thank you AM!
Seriously, anytime a team asks for improvement suggestions the one I always go to is "Use the KOP chassis". If I look at your robot and see an overweight "custom" chassis that probably took you half the season to build you're doing it wrong.
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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

Vex is currently out of stock of the 1/2 Thunderhex bearing.
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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

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Seriously, anytime a team asks for improvement suggestions the one I always go to is "Use the KOP chassis". If I look at your robot and see an overweight "custom" chassis that probably took you half the season to build you're doing it wrong.
Even though off-topic, this.

If you integrate a kit drive into your build regiment, then you can successfully have a prototype / practice frame ready to go within the first two days of build without having to worry about fabrication at all. Then, you can purchase your competition frame and have that built by the end of week 2. Two weeks to get the majority of your ideas down and ready for fabricating other systems on your robot is so valuable.

Remember, you have an entire robot to design in 6 weeks. If your resources are limited or your mentor / trained student base does not have substantial depth, opt in for the KOP frame or at least a variant.
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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

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I guess I don't get why anyone would go through modifying the bearing when they could just turn the hex down to round and use a round bearing? Even if you don't own a lathe you could surely find another team or a sponsor that could turn the ends down.
I can think of two reasons.

First, resources. Teams may have a hex broach but not a lathe - If you are in that situation, the idea of broaching a bearing would certainly appeal over trying to turn down a hex shaft, or even finding someone to do it for you. The thought of a few minutes with a broach and arbor press versus the delay in finding someone to help is appealing.

Second, application/design. I can easily think of several cases on my team's robot last year where we had the bearing in the middle of the shaft with hex parts on either side. For example, running a WCD drivetrain. You can have hex hubs on your wheels with hex sprockets/pulleys, and the drive rail with the bearing sitting between them. In other situations, we've used the VersaPlanetary female adapter this year, supporting the shaft just past the adapter with a bearing to help reduce stress on the adapter and gearbox. That bearing has to be hex, although the other end of the shaft could be turned down and use a round bearing.
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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

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(I honestly can't tell if this is a joke or not. See below.)

We at AndyMark take the subject of out-of-stock items very seriously. We hustle to get things back in stock, and we work hard to communicate out-of-stock updates to our customers as needed. Never have we said this to a team when calling for stock updates.
I hoped that even the ludicrous idea of a AM support person saying such a thing would make it clear that it was a joke. The reason I chose to use AM over Vex was because I hold AM's support in quite high regard.

The idea being proposed in the post by a former AM employee was that teams with the resources to stockpile COTS commodity parts deserve the advantage they get as a de facto game challenge created by FIRST and it's suppliers is absolutely absurd. This is something I think you agree with me on judging by your response to my post.
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2) Re: what a STEM program can do -- I don't expect it to become a cash crop, but Michigan needs to export OCCRA.
I mean, there's also plenty of areas in Michigan that could use their own OCCRA too, not just the rest of the country!

If anyone is looking into starting an offseason league competition like OCCRA, please feel free to contact myself or anyone on 33 and we can work to give you advice and council on things, and I'm sure others involved in OCCRA would be happy to help as well.
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I mean, there's also plenty of areas in Michigan that could use their own OCCRA too, not just the rest of the country!
I agree. I would like to plant some OCCRA here.
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I agree. I would like to plant some OCCRA here.
Lol, you guys set up a live webcam of your construction project?
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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

Vexpro has them in stock right now for $5 a pop. Why not just order 50 of them if you need them that badly?

We always order at least 50 a few months before the season starts to make sure we have enough for the robots. And generally re-use old ones on the pbot.
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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

I would suggest to scout Alibaba.com for cheap 1/2" flanged hex bearings. I had this idea in mind for a few weeks, but haven't got a chance to start looking for suppliers and quotes... But if you order products from such websites, you do need to get them through some kind of QA before you use them on a competition robot.
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Re: Alternate Source for 1/2" Flanged Hex Bearings

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Yep, I nerco'ed the thread. I thought it would be better to keep all the ideas/thoughts/info/opinion in one place. Thank you for the feedback.

Regarding stockpiling: We are in the process of doing that now. That's why I was asking the question weeks before the season started. However, one of the things my team tries to do is have the ability to source items from one than one vendor if at all possible. We believe that flexibility is always important in the supply chain.

Take away: Vex and AM are the only consistent source for these parts according to the experience of those on CD.
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Take away: Vex and AM are the only consistent source for these parts according to the experience of those on CD.
I was surprised that this even applied to ThunderHex bearings. My impression had been that Thunderhex used a standard bearing size that you could get elsewhere (but having never needed to use it I never looked). Much to my surprise even the 13.75mm round bearings used with ThunderHex are not a standard part. I think I understand a bit better why some teams still choose to go with 1/2" round keyed stock, it's far easier to get bearings for them just about anywhere.
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Take away: Vex and AM are the only consistent source for these parts according to the experience of those on CD.
WCProducts also has them, but experiences the same supply issues as the other vendors. They are currently listed as on backorder.

http://www.wcproducts.net/bearings

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I was surprised that this even applied to ThunderHex bearings. My impression had been that Thunderhex used a standard bearing size that you could get elsewhere (but having never needed to use it I never looked). Much to my surprise even the 13.75mm round bearings used with ThunderHex are not a standard part. I think I understand a bit better why some teams still choose to go with 1/2" round keyed stock, it's far easier to get bearings for them just about anywhere.
That is indeed one of the reasons 1712 stuck with round stock longer than most teams. Back before we could afford to stockpile significant quantities of shaft and bearings, having an immediate quick-turnaround supply from vendors like McMaster was an important consideration for us.

We have since shifted to mostly Thunderhex (with some Hex and Round where applicable) now that we can stockpile before the season.
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I was surprised that this even applied to ThunderHex bearings. My impression had been that Thunderhex used a standard bearing size that you could get elsewhere (but having never needed to use it I never looked). Much to my surprise even the 13.75mm round bearings used with ThunderHex are not a standard part. I think I understand a bit better why some teams still choose to go with 1/2" round keyed stock, it's far easier to get bearings for them just about anywhere.
I think ideally thunderhex size would be a common bearing size, but the profile of 1/2" hex just does not line up to be close to any standard bearing. You would have to round the corners of the hex too much and would not have enough face width for the shaft to be effective.

We made some custom 3/8" "thunderhex" last year that used 10mm bearings and turned down hex. It seemed to work fine, but in the future we will still be stocking up on the vex 3/8" thunderhex and the corresponding bearing anyway, because I would rather have the wider face width.
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