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Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

I think that they should

Many older games had great concepts, but since resources like AndyMark, Vex Pro, etc. were nonexistent or were in their infancy, many teams didn't have the help they needed to be actually competitive. This is why old game videos seem so boring- everything was built from scratch. Many members of FRC, like me, were too young to play a game like FIRST Frenzy or Aim High. Some mentors might remember them, but if they're updated (like FIRST Frenzy was an update of several other FRC games), then they can still be interested (plus, the robots designs will still have to change if they're updated).

Do you agree? If so, are there any games in particular you would like to see played again?

Do you disagree? If so, is there any one particular reason?
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

I think that they’re already doing this - 2015 was 2002 (iirc) replayed, and fuel in 2017 was the same mechanic as 2006. They reuse all the scoring mechanics pretty regularly, but they just change up the dimensions a little so designs can’t be just straight copied.
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

If 2015 was any indicator then the answer is no.
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

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I think that they’re already doing this - 2015 was 2002 (iirc) replayed.

2003 is the year youre thinking of.
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

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I think that they’re already doing this - 2015 was 2002 (iirc) replayed, and fuel in 2017 was the same mechanic as 2006. They reuse all the scoring mechanics pretty regularly, but they just change up the dimensions a little so designs can’t be just straight copied.
2015 and 2003 share some differences, though. For example, 2003 was insane, as you would just try to knock down alliance stacks. 2015 was 2003 with no robot to robot interaction, which was a big part of the game it seems (could be wrong, as I was a year and a half old then and wouldn't be able to remember even if I saw it, which I didn't).
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

I would like to see how 2004 plays out with three robot alliances with a more useful autonomous mode.
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

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I would like to see how 2004 plays out with three robot alliances with a more useful autonomous mode.
Agreed! Maybe change a couple elements here or there, but mostly as is.
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

2011 was widely noted as being very similar to 2007, which was itself quite similar to 1997.
2012 was what might be noted as an "alternative version" of 2006. I recall hearing at the time that it was 2006 but taken in a different direction.

As noted, 2015 was 2003--as it "should have been played" mixed with 2001.


Many games share "common elements", if you will--example, 2016, 2012, and 2006 had "similar" balls; 2018 did 2010's cooperative hanging the "right way" (with a dose of 2007's rampbots); and I would suggest that 2016 and 2017 were close cousins with respect to protected zones and the like.




That being said... Triple Replay would be a good one. (Almighty guru points for figuring out what I'm actually referencing--it's not just the 2005 game.)
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That being said... Triple Replay would be a good one. (Almighty guru points for figuring out what I'm actually referencing--it's not just the 2005 game.)
The game hint with the names of the baseball players?
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The game hint with the names of the baseball players?
Right game hint, but wrong reference. (It's a reference to something suggested after the season.)
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

Just waiting it out for that Aerial Assist reboot (Overdrive I guess too in that sense)... going nuts with a giant game piece and insane driving is always a fun time
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

I fell they might try to implement the concept of steamwork and stronghold.
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

Well, if we want to replay game concepts, this year's theme is the perfect time to bring back the Orbit Balls.
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Well, if we want to replay game concepts, this year's theme is the perfect time to bring back the Orbit Balls.
no thanks.
We bought all 7 of them from 4 walmarts on oahu that year DURING kickoff. 3 of them were broken. I remember one team beating us to 1 of the stores, but since it was broken, they didnt want it.
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Re: Should FIRST try replaying some old game concepts?

Any bets as to whether FUEL will be back? Or did AM clean out their stock yet?
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