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Windows update

Our laptop used for FRC has not had an update since 2017. Is this normal? Haven't gotten any windows update notifications either. Wondering if i can do it manually?

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Re: Windows update

Your firewall is more than likely disabled, which prevents windows updates.
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Your firewall is more than likely disabled, which prevents windows updates.
So that means we shouldn't worry about it?

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Re: Windows update

You can certainly do the updates manually. Just be careful not to turn them on automatic. Nothing is worse than having one decide to install during competition.
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Re: Windows update

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You can certainly do the updates manually. Just be careful not to turn them on automatic. Nothing is worse than having one decide to install during competition.
This is critical. When connected to the field, Windows can ping the outside world and decide it's time to install an update. At that point, your driver station is kaput and you're stuck with a loaner laptop until it's back up and running. I can't count the number of times I've seen the FTA's/CSA's pull a loaner out for a team right before a match and overhear the words "windows update".
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You can certainly do the updates manually. Just be careful not to turn them on automatic. Nothing is worse than having one decide to install during competition.
I mean, if it's Windows 10 it's not like you get a choice in the matter. =/
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Re: Windows update

Actually you can disable the update service in the services.msc I believe.
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Re: Windows update

Can confirm that windows update can be disabled, FTA did it for us at an event.

Also, does the field internet actually provide real internet access?
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Re: Windows update

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Also, does the field internet actually provide real internet access?
Per the 2018 whitepaper, no. Not to team laptops that is.

My understanding is that windows downloads all the files required for the update first, then schedules the install. So, as long as the laptop had a chance to download.... perhaps even days prior.... the update could still happen while on field.
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Re: Windows update

The Driver Station Best Practices has a good procedure to follow regarding Windows updates and the DS laptop.
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Re: Windows update

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Actually you can disable the update service in the services.msc I believe.
You can, but windows will re-enable it and restart the service after a while.
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You can, but windows will re-enable it and restart the service after a while.
Slightly off-topic:

Windows 10 is like that... you mess with it, as soon as an update comes it reverts everything back to stock. I had this with a cheap windows tablet- I removed a bunch of Microsoft apps in powershell to free up the tiny 32GB SSD and measly 2GB of RAM (since unlike 8.1 they couldn't be removed "normally"), and the next time an update loaded, it re-installed every single one of the removed apps. Frustrated, I promptly took the thing back to the store and haven't touched 10 since.

This probably isn't an issue if one has decent hardware, but I don't like things that don't give me as the administrator full control over basic things like that. Whose computer is it again?

If they fixed this (or if they do in the future) I might try it again, but for now, Windows 7 and modified 8.1 are what I run (for Windows at least).
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Windows 10 is like that... you mess with it, as soon as an update comes it reverts everything back to stock. I had this with a cheap windows tablet- I removed a bunch of Microsoft apps in powershell to free up the tiny 32GB SSD and measly 2GB of RAM (since unlike 8.1 they couldn't be removed "normally"), and the next time an update loaded, it re-installed every single one of the removed apps. Frustrated, I promptly took the thing back to the store and haven't touched 10 since.

This probably isn't an issue if one has decent hardware, but I don't like things that don't give me as the administrator full control over basic things like that. Whose computer is it again?

If they fixed this (or if they do in the future) I might try it again, but for now, Windows 7 and modified 8.1 are what I run (for Windows at least).
So.... Is the FRC Driverstation available for Chromebooks? Or it must be windows?

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So.... Is the FRC Driverstation available for Chromebooks? Or it must be windows?

The competition driver station must be running the official NI driver station software. Currently, only Windows is officially supported. However, I don't think there's much rules-wise stopping an especially crafty team from trying to get it working on Linux through WINE or Proton.
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The competition driver station must be running the official NI driver station software. Currently, only Windows is officially supported. However, I don't think there's much rules-wise stopping an especially crafty team from trying to get it working on Linux through WINE or Proton.
Good luck in getting help fixing that at an event.
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