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So all of my parts came in, thanks Robochair. We are planning to mount the mister, needle valve and tee near the spindle, and then run the tubes through the energy chain back to a reservoir under machine. I know there are many ways to probably do this, but do you see any trouble with what I am describing?
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Hello all,

I recently got a budget approved which might allow for purchase of an Omio X8 USB.

Before I decide, I would like some help from folks on a few items as I have 0 experience with CNC routers or operating cnc equipment in general.

1) what software will I need (aside from a CAD package, we use OnShape). I would prefer to get free software if possible. Or, something very easy to pick up.

2) what kinda of accessories will I need to machine plastics, and very rarely 1/8-1/4" aluminum 2d parts? This doesn't include custom gearbox plates, but mostly gussets, intake plates, etc.

2a) this includes collet and cutting tool suggestions

3) which spindle do I need? I am assuming a water cooled spindle would require purchasing more auxiliary equipment. Is the air cooled spindle better for me?

4) I'm assuming I will not really need work holding as I'm planning to only run 2D parts. Do you suggest anything else that might be handy?

If this is better answered via PM please let me know. I am a complete newcomer to this stuff.
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For background, 2220 acquired an Omio late August/early September and have been learning how to use it for the last few months. We've still got a long ways to go but we've done a bit of stuff on it and are starting to get comfortable.

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Hello all,

I recently got a budget approved which might allow for purchase of an Omio X8 USB.

Before I decide, I would like some help from folks on a few items as I have 0 experience with CNC routers or operating cnc equipment in general.

1) what software will I need (aside from a CAD package, we use OnShape). I would prefer to get free software if possible. Or, something very easy to pick up.
We use Fusion360 for CAM. It is easy to export STEP files from Onshape and then do the CAM in Fusion, and Fusion has a nice simulation function that helps you understand the order of what it will do. Other than that, Omio gives you a sketchy Mach3 copy that is perfectly functional.

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2) what kinda of accessories will I need to machine plastics, and very rarely 1/8-1/4" aluminum 2d parts? This doesn't include custom gearbox plates, but mostly gussets, intake plates, etc.

2a) this includes collet and cutting tool suggestions
I would pretty much stick to 4mm Huhao endmills off AliExpress. We bought 4x4x12 single flute endmills, basically these ones. Dirt cheap, and fully capable of hogging through aluminum. Get the 4mm collet from Omio and you're golden.

You may also want to get short machining-length drill bits in the sizes you want and associated collets. If you don't have a shop vac or compressor you'll probably want to be running air either either blowing or sucking the chips away. Both can be done successfully.

You probably don't need a coolant setup.

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3) which spindle do I need? I am assuming a water cooled spindle would require purchasing more auxiliary equipment. Is the air cooled spindle better for me?
Water cooled pretty much just requires a Home Depot bucket full of water and a few drops of something to kill anything living. Set it up, seal the bucket, and you can forget about it for a few months. Remember to check it periodically. The ship pretty much everything other than the bucket and water (pump, tubes, et cetera).

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4) I'm assuming I will not really need work holding as I'm planning to only run 2D parts. Do you suggest anything else that might be handy?
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I'd probably cut an MDF board to size, and then largely use screws/tape/glue/whatever to hold to that. If you might do tubes, I'd probably recommend some small vices like are mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Re: CNC Routers for FRC Robotics

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Thanks for the information, this was very helpful!

Could you contact me to discuss feeds and speeds for cutting aluminum 2x1 tubing from Vexpro, or please post a link to your video series. We were not able to find the video series.

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So all of my parts came in, thanks Robochair. We are planning to mount the mister, needle valve and tee near the spindle, and then run the tubes through the energy chain back to a reservoir under machine. I know there are many ways to probably do this, but do you see any trouble with what I am describing?
That's how I set ours up.
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Re: CNC Routers for FRC Robotics

1) what software will I need (aside from a CAD package, we use OnShape). I would prefer to get free software if possible. Or, something very easy to pick up.

2) what kinda of accessories will I need to machine plastics, and very rarely 1/8-1/4" aluminum 2d parts? This doesn't include custom gearbox plates, but mostly gussets, intake plates, etc.

2a) this includes collet and cutting tool suggestions

3) which spindle do I need? I am assuming a water cooled spindle would require purchasing more auxiliary equipment. Is the air cooled spindle better for me?

4) I'm assuming I will not really need work holding as I'm planning to only run 2D parts. Do you suggest anything else that might be handy?


Hi Akash!

We recently obtained an OMIO X6 (same as X8 but a little smaller) and also had/have little experience with CNC. So far we are delighted with the purchase.

We are using Solidworks for CAD, HSMworks for the CAM (gcode maker) and software called MACH 3 drives the machine - it comes with the OMIO (as long as you select the USB variant). All software has been free (or included with the OMIO)

After ordering it online with a credit card the box(es) appeared in my driveway in about 8 days.

It took only about a 1/2 hour to set up following a video - very simple.

We have cut some sample gearbox plates etc out of .125" to .0625" aluminum (6061) and a couple tries at plastic - easier.

We clamp a MDF wasteboard on the surface and then just use screws to hold the workpiece to the board.

We got the water cooled spindle - it comes with pump etc you just need to get a bucket and some distilled water and antifreexe.

The machine came with a couple collets and bits - so far we are mostly using 4 mm single flute bits from aliexpress - but getting some through OMIO with the initial purchase may be a good idea.


If you would like you can come down to our shop and check it out. Actually our most experienced user is a student - but we are all learning together.
There was a little learning to set up the calibration of the x, y and z axes but between this thread and some youtube videos was pretty straightforward.

Good luck and again PM me if you would like to come down sometime and check it out.




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Thanks for the information, this was very helpful!

Could you contact me to discuss feeds and speeds for cutting aluminum 2x1 tubing from Vexpro, or please post a link to your video series. We were not able to find the video series.

Thanks!
Not robochair, but on our VR-5050 we run:

Slotting: I typically push 35-40ipm at 21k rpm 1/8 doc (all the way through a thickwall tube) with a 3/16 single flute upcut solid carbide endmill. Here's a short vid in action.

Pocket: I can do 65ipm at 21k rpm with a 1/16doc with the same 3/16 endmill. Here's a short vid. (In the vid the endmill is a bit dull so it's not cutting as clean as it usually does... oops).
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1) what software will I need (aside from a CAD package, we use OnShape). I would prefer to get free software if possible. Or, something very easy to pick up.

2) what kinda of accessories will I need to machine plastics, and very rarely 1/8-1/4" aluminum 2d parts? This doesn't include custom gearbox plates, but mostly gussets, intake plates, etc.

2a) this includes collet and cutting tool suggestions

3) which spindle do I need? I am assuming a water cooled spindle would require purchasing more auxiliary equipment. Is the air cooled spindle better for me?

4) I'm assuming I will not really need work holding as I'm planning to only run 2D parts. Do you suggest anything else that might be handy?


Hi Akash!

We recently obtained an OMIO X6 (same as X8 but a little smaller) and also had/have little experience with CNC. So far we are delighted with the purchase.

We are using Solidworks for CAD, HSMworks for the CAM (gcode maker) and software called MACH 3 drives the machine - it comes with the OMIO (as long as you select the USB variant). All software has been free (or included with the OMIO)

After ordering it online with a credit card the box(es) appeared in my driveway in about 8 days.

It took only about a 1/2 hour to set up following a video - very simple.

We have cut some sample gearbox plates etc out of .125" to .0625" aluminum (6061) and a couple tries at plastic - easier.

We clamp a MDF wasteboard on the surface and then just use screws to hold the workpiece to the board.

We got the water cooled spindle - it comes with pump etc you just need to get a bucket and some distilled water and antifreexe.

The machine came with a couple collets and bits - so far we are mostly using 4 mm single flute bits from aliexpress - but getting some through OMIO with the initial purchase may be a good idea.


If you would like you can come down to our shop and check it out. Actually our most experienced user is a student - but we are all learning together.
There was a little learning to set up the calibration of the x, y and z axes but between this thread and some youtube videos was pretty straightforward.

Good luck and again PM me if you would like to come down sometime and check it out.




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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Here is our entire tool library we use for our VeloxCNC and Omio.
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Here is our entire tool library we use for our VeloxCNC and Omio.
This is dope. Thanks a ton!
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Re: CNC Routers for FRC Robotics

So, I ran across this CNC Router from CNC Parts Online when another team had posted it to their facebook page. Anyone use this one yet? Looks to be a good competitor to the Velox CNC from what I can tell. Or am I missing something?

https://www.cncpartsonline.com/product/orion/

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So, I ran across this CNC Router from CNC Parts Online when another team had posted it to their facebook page. Anyone use this one yet? Looks to be a good competitor to the Velox CNC from what I can tell. Or am I missing something?

https://www.cncpartsonline.com/product/orion/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbiVnNmJvLQ
Looking at the specs, the base model is pretty lacking. 1018 square rails are very poor, though they offer better options as upgrades. Build volume is large, surprisingly so, but the lead screws, guide rails, and spindle are quite lacking.

I'd recommend looking at a ShopSabre 23. Cutting area is 30"x40" compared to the Orion's 32"x60", but everything else is a definite upgrade. Ball screws, linear guides, a better spindle, and a trusted brand. The Orion is a DIY kit with 0(!) reviews. And they cost pretty much the same price. The Orion might be good as a frame kit to build on top of, but as a full CNC router, it's severely lacking for that $7500 price tag.
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Slotting: I typically push 35-40ipm at 21k rpm 1/8 doc (all the way through a thickwall tube) with a 3/16 single flute upcut solid carbide endmill. Here's a short vid in action.

Pocket: I can do 65ipm at 21k rpm with a 1/16doc with the same 3/16 endmill. Here's a short vid. (In the vid the endmill is a bit dull so it's not cutting as clean as it usually does... oops).
Why are you slotting deeper than you are pocketing? I always learned (from experience and the internet) that it is generally a good practice to make deep cuts with low radial engagement whenever possible and only use a shallow cuts if you are slotting.
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Why are you slotting deeper than you are pocketing? I always learned (from experience and the internet) that it is generally a good practice to make deep cuts with low radial engagement whenever possible and only use a shallow cuts if you are slotting.
Having a higher DOC with a lower IPM improves tool life over a lower DOC and higher IPM - IE: Slotting at 70ipm with a 0.08" DOC vs Slotting at 30ipm with a 0.16" DOC. Also, the pocketing show is a half pocket so my final depth is actually 1/16", if I were pocketing something thicker I would most likely be running a 0.1 to 1/8" DOC.
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Looking at the specs, the base model is pretty lacking. 1018 square rails are very poor, though they offer better options as upgrades. Build volume is large, surprisingly so, but the lead screws, guide rails, and spindle are quite lacking.

I'd recommend looking at a ShopSabre 23. Cutting area is 30"x40" compared to the Orion's 32"x60", but everything else is a definite upgrade. Ball screws, linear guides, a better spindle, and a trusted brand. The Orion is a DIY kit with 0(!) reviews. And they cost pretty much the same price. The Orion might be good as a frame kit to build on top of, but as a full CNC router, it's severely lacking for that $7500 price tag.
Thanks for pointing that out! That does look like a heck of a machine. I know you had mentioned that brand earlier in the thread, but it was a huge machine. So I wrongly assumed that's all they build. The RC4 looks like a good one too.
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