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The biggest reasons Bag and Tag is terrible

Listen up, y'all. We can argue all day long about how putting our robot in giant robot c--(redacted to protect Gary Voshol) can needlessly limit teams' potential to achieve the mission of FIRST. Since the key stakeholders don't really seem to buy that as a key problem with bag and tag, I was figuring we could reflect on our recent experience with robot suffocation and think of the obnoxious little quirks of the system.

So like, why does the bag and tag form have so little space to write the time down but so much space to write down the time zone? It's so weird. Time zone only matters for the universal time for Stop Build Day. I don't think any teams are moving their robot in an unbagging period across time zones.

Anyone else smellin' what I'm steppin' in? Anyone got any other Festivus-level complaints to lob at bag and tag?
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Re: The biggest reasons Bag and Tag is terrible

I was pulling the serial tag closed and I punched myself in the face.
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Listen up, y'all. We can argue all day long about how putting our robot in giant robot c--(redacted to protect Gary Voshol) can needlessly limit teams' potential to achieve the mission of FIRST. Since the key stakeholders don't really seem to buy that as a key problem with bag and tag, I was figuring we could reflect on our recent experience with robot suffocation and think of the obnoxious little quirks of the system.

So like, why does the bag and tag form have so little space to write the time down but so much space to write down the time zone? It's so weird. Time zone only matters for the universal time for Stop Build Day. I don't think any teams are moving their robot in an unbagging period across time zones.

Anyone else smellin' what I'm steppin' in? Anyone got any other Festivus-level complaints to lob at bag and tag?
Why does it have a place for a phone number? Iíve never once been called by anyone asking about this form.
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Listen up, y'all. We can argue all day long about how putting our robot in giant robot c--(redacted to protect Gary Voshol) can needlessly limit teams' potential to achieve the mission of FIRST. Since the key stakeholders don't really seem to buy that as a key problem with bag and tag, I was figuring we could reflect on our recent experience with robot suffocation and think of the obnoxious little quirks of the system.

So like, why does the bag and tag form have so little space to write the time down but so much space to write down the time zone? It's so weird. Time zone only matters for the universal time for Stop Build Day. I don't think any teams are moving their robot in an unbagging period across time zones.

Anyone else smellin' what I'm steppin' in? Anyone got any other Festivus-level complaints to lob at bag and tag?
My pen ran out of ink before I could write the 9 in 11:59PM. Do we have to sit in the corner of our pit for inspiration now?

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My pen ran out of ink before I could write the 9 in 11:59PM. Do we have to sit in the corner of our pits for inspiration now?
You have to sit for the length of time it took you to find a new pen. Youíll feel inspired though, or so Iím told.
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Re: The biggest reasons Bag and Tag is terrible

The provided clear bag doesn't match our #AllBlackEverything aesthetic.
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would you say it is, in fact, part of the challenge?
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Re: The biggest reasons Bag and Tag is terrible

You know, the part I never understood was why a paper form had to be involved, rather than an electronic form. Seems we're wasting lots of trees printing these things out, losing them, and reprinting them, when we could be uploading photos to a database for timestamp and distribution to all events. Take photo, mark "in" or "out", inspectors get access at events.

And half the time MIA forms have been photographed anyways...
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The provided clear bag doesn't match our #AllBlackEverything aesthetic.
I like to look at our robot through the clear plastic, and think about what we might do to improve it during Robot Access time.

Another mentor our team suggested the bag should be black, to prevent violations of the rule against "interfacing" with the robot. (R19E)

Does thinking about the robot while I gaze through the bag count as "interfacing"? I am not using Vulcan mind-meld.
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You know, the part I never understood was why a paper form had to be involved, rather than an electronic form. Seems we're wasting lots of trees printing these things out, losing them, and reprinting them, when we could be uploading photos to a database for timestamp and distribution to all events. Take photo, mark "in" or "out", inspectors get access at events.

And half the time MIA forms have been photographed anyways...
Let's put FIRST IT on it right away.
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Re: The biggest reasons Bag and Tag is terrible

I feel bad for the tags that we use during robot access periods. They only get to hold the robot captive for a day or two at most.
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Re: The biggest reasons Bag and Tag is terrible

I keep putting the robot in the crate but the fedex guy never shows up
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