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FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

Navigating the First Website Student / Parent / Mentor consent forms is quite difficult. Every year I see emails from our head mentor explaining the laborious process of kids creating their accounts, then parents creating theirs, and attaching the two together, and getting the consent printed...

This process should be simple. A parent creates an account. Puts their childrens' name in, the clicks a button that says "give consent" next to each.

The inconsistent layout of the webpage's different pages is also adds confusion. Some have buttons, some buttons are drop down menus, some menus close all the other menus for no reason.... it's simply broken and inconsistent design. The entire dashboard/page layout is a hot mess. In addition, coaches should be able to send an email that contains a link that will take parents directly to this page.

One link. One page. One button. One click. That should be it.
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

Not to mention I don't think I've successfully logged in on the first try since I created my account (server error, not my error)
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

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Navigating the First Website Student / Parent / Mentor consent forms is quite difficult. Every year I see emails from our head mentor explaining the laborious process of kids creating their accounts, then parents creating theirs, and attaching the two together, and getting the consent printed...

This process should be simple. A parent creates an account. Puts their childrens' name in, the clicks a button that says "give consent" next to each.

The inconsistent layout of the webpage's different pages is also adds confusion. Some have buttons, some buttons are drop down menus, some menus close all the other menus for no reason.... it's simply broken and inconsistent design. The entire dashboard/page layout is a hot mess. In addition, coaches should be able to send an email that contains a link that will take parents directly to this page.

One link. One page. One button. One click. That should be it.
Tom, I completely agree with you. There needs to be a simpler way to do this digitally. But, there is something that you can do to solve the problem. If your school is like mine, there are about 4-5 forms that students are required to complete to be a part of our robotics club. FIRST still has paper versions of the consent form (https://www.firstinspires.org/sites/...-2016-2017.pdf). Include this form with the packet of forms that students need to fill out to be a part of the team. At competitions, all you need to do is hand in a copy of all the FIRST consent forms.

Until the online version is much simpler, I will stick with old fashioned paper that never is questioned and presents no headaches.

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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

It really should be simpler. As part of the Minnesota State High School League, we open our team up to 7th and 8th graders, although we focus on high school. Never more than 1-2 middle schoolers. Anyways, one this year isn't old enough to register per FIRST'S systems until December. For another student, the system thinks her parent is too young to sign a consent form. We start our registration process in September, because we know it'll take months to get everyone through!
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

Amen.

Someone please work on this. It's like pulling teeth.
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Unread 11-04-2018, 12:08 AM
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

After struggling with this for years, 696 will be returning to paper forms for the first time in at least 6 years.
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

Please give your feedback directly to FIRST via their contact page or via direct email FIRSTRoboticsCompetition[at]firstinspires[dot]org.

Be constructive and give direct examples, and possible solutions. Without your feedback, nothing will change.
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

We went back to paper two years ago. Maybe someday FIRST will their site more user friendly.
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

It's quite laughable. One of my sons account's shows he's on another robotics team, with our team number, but he cannot withdraw from it. That shouldn't even be possible, but this system did it somehow.
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We went back to paper two years ago. Maybe someday FIRST will their site more user friendly.
So can a team have members on paper and online? Also, for the paper, do you just have to bring the papers to every event you go to? Is there anyone you have to show it too?
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So can a team have members on paper and online? Also, for the paper, do you just have to bring the papers to every event you go to? Is there anyone you have to show it too?
Have every team member fill out a paper form, just in case.

Keep the originals.

When you check in at Pit Administration, you should give them COPIES of your paper consent forms.
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Have every team member fill out a paper form, just in case.

Keep the originals.

When you check in at Pit Administration, you should give them COPIES of your paper consent forms.
I see just wondering cuz there's literally one person on our team whose made three different accounts but can't get online to work. She's the only one so just checking to see if its allowed to have both.
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I see just wondering cuz there's literally one person on our team whose made three different accounts but can't get online to work. She's the only one so just checking to see if its allowed to have both.
It is allowed to have both, but the paper copy is SO much easier that you can cover your options by having everyone do it.
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So can a team have members on paper and online? Also, for the paper, do you just have to bring the papers to every event you go to? Is there anyone you have to show it too?
We have all of our mentors do theirs on line. No real problems doing that. This also allows for everyone to have the YPP screening.

We just have all of the students to a paper form. We keep them on file and bring a copy to each event. Our team roster consists of mentors and paper consent and release forms for students.
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Re: FIRST: Please simplify parent and student consent.

Just keep in mind there are several awards that require a student to submit them, so you'll need to have at least 1 student in STIMS if you plan to submit for those.
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