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Re: Power-Up Discussion

What if an Alliance activates Force with 2 or 3 cubes when the scale is deactivated, would they still gain ownership points from the scale?

Section 4.3: Power Ups, Table 4-2

"ALLIANCE earns OWNERSHIP points from the SCALE regardless of PLATE position"
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

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Is the platform considered part of the scale? When climbing you must be "fully supported by the scale" (Table 4-1) But in figure 3-4 the platform is shown as a part of the scale. Does this mean you can be fully supported by the platform?(hint climbing w/o grabbing on to anything)

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Section 3.3 lists platforms as part of the scale.
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

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What if an Alliance activates Force with 2 or 3 cubes when the scale is deactivated, would they still gain ownership points from the scale?

Section 4.3: Power Ups, Table 4-2

"ALLIANCE earns OWNERSHIP points from the SCALE regardless of PLATE position"
Can you clarify what you mean by the scale being deactivated? I do not understand or recall that in the manual and I could not find it by looking for the word "deactivated".
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

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Can you clarify what you mean by the scale being deactivated? I do not understand or recall that in the manual and I could not find it by looking for the word "deactivated".
By deactivated, I meant when the scale is balanced and no alliance has ownership of the scale.
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By deactivated, I meant when the scale is balanced and no alliance has ownership of the scale.
Yes, as I interpret Section 4.2 on page 37, you would have ownership of a balanced switch if you use the FORCE POWER UP with 2 or 3 blocks.

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An ALLIANCE has OWNERSHIP of the SCALE when:
A. the SCALE is tilted in favor of their ALLIANCE colored PLATE, such that the outside edge of the ALLIANCE’S colored PLATE is at or lower than 4 ft. 8 in. (~142 cm) from the floor, or
B. they have played the FORCE POWER UP at level 2 or 3 (see Section 4.3 POWER UPS)
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

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Yes, as I interpret Section 4.2 on page 37, you would have ownership of a balanced switch if you use the FORCE POWER UP with 2 or 3 blocks.
So if the scale is tilted in favor of the red alliance and the blue alliance is playing their force power up, do both alliances have ownership of the scale and gain points, or does the blue alliance deny red points for 10 seconds?
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

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So if the scale is tilted in favor of the red alliance and the blue alliance is playing their force power up, do both alliances have ownership of the scale and gain points, or does the blue alliance deny red points for 10 seconds?
I interpret it as red being denied the points because only one alliance can own the scale at a time.
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During the MATCH, the SCALE is in one of three (3) states based on the magnitude of its tilt:
1. OWNERSHIP by the Red ALLIANCE, or
2. OWNERSHIP by the Blue ALLIANCE, or
3. neither ALLIANCE has OWNERSHIP
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

Regarding the FORCE Power-up, does anybody know if it affects both your SWITCH AND the opposing alliance's SWITCH?

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Re: Power-Up Discussion

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Regarding the FORCE Power-up, does anybody know if it affects both your SWITCH AND the opposing alliance's SWITCH?

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No, I am judging that based off the singularity of the word "the".

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ALLIANCE earns OWNERSHIP points from the SWITCH and the SCALE regardless of PLATE position
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

Can you grab a power cube that is partially in another team's platform zone? The two power cubes on the edges
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Can you grab a power cube that is partially in another team's platform zone? The two power cubes on the edges
I do not see a rule against it. I only see G18 but that is exclusively in the ENDGAME.
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Re: Power-Up Discussion

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I interpret it as red being denied the points because only one alliance can own the scale at a time.
I thought so too, but I feel like these parts of the manual made the rule confusing:

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Originally Posted by FIRST POWER UP Manual Page 37 as of Kickoff
An ALLIANCE has OWNERSHIP of the SCALE when:
A. the SCALE is tilted in favor of their ALLIANCE colored PLATE, such that the outside edge of the ALLIANCE’S colored PLATE is at or lower than 4 ft. 8 in. (~142 cm) from the floor, or
B. they have played the FORCE POWER UP at level 2 or 3 (see Section 4.3 POWER UPS)
If getting the force power up denied the other alliance points I felt like the language of the second part to be more like:
An ALLIANCE has OWNERSHIP of the SCALE when:
A. the SCALE is tilted in favor of their ALLIANCE colored PLATE, such that the outside edge of the ALLIANCE’S colored PLATE is at or lower than 4 ft. 8 in. (~142 cm) from the floor AND the other alliance has not played the FORCE POWER UP at level 2 or 3, or
And this rule from the section on power ups:

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FORCE
ALLIANCE earns OWNERSHIP points from their
SWITCH regardless of PLATE position
Does earning ownership points mean they have ownership?
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Some of my reactions:

1. Dozer's back!
2. Chute door...sort of. More like a chute ram, I guess.
3. There's no retroreflective tape for vision tracking, though vision tracking doesn't seem all that practical this year except for maybe a 2-cube auto.
4. The ownership is interesting, and a nice change.
5. This game is well-designed. Challenging, but not too difficult for lower-resource teams.
3. This appears to be incorrect. Section 3.9 outlines the location of the vision targets on each SWITCH.
4&5. Agreed. This is a unique and potentially exciting game! I'm looking forward to seeing the teams play this game.

Something that stood out to me (and that I'm expecting many penalties from in the early weeks of competition) is G16, i.e. "The NULL TERRITORY is safe." The wording on this seems to make the null territory the loading zone/secret passage this year in terms of penalties. With the randomness of the lights, teams may find themselves quickly accruing Tech Fouls if they aren't aware of whose side they're on.
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Would be annoying to get on the platform and there is no protection at the portal stations.
I don't think mecanum robots would have any significant difficulty getting on the platform. In 2012 there were a lot of mecanum robots (our included) that were able to negotiate the ramps with not too much difficulty, so this platform should be no big deal. Getting pushed out of portal stations could be an issue, but as with most drive train decisions, I think it will come down much more to how well a team executes their design and drives their robot that the actual choice of drive trains.
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