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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

Oh no... are there matches running during this time?

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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

OoOoOoOoOoOoOoO I'm so excited!!!!!!!!

NEW RC DEMOS!!!!!!
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

The big surprise will come when we find the FTC and FRC controllers are the exact same thing.

I have no inside information on that, by the way... but why not? (It is now, kinda...)

As Greg points out, with FIRST apparently severing relations with IFI there will likely be other KOP changes as well. The kitbot frame is one example.

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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

I also think we'll be seeing the new RC.

And, I predict*, its capabilities will wow the crowd. Care to speculate?
802.11 wireless - what can you do with a 11 Mb/s data stream for example?

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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

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what can you do with a 11 Mb/s data stream for example?

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On board video feeds?
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- what can you do with a 11 Mb/s data stream for example?
Well, I know that I could crash the robot into a large object with even greater precision... but if you mean what could the kids do with it... yeah, they'd probably accomplish something creative and useful!

Of course if the data stream accomodated video... then there are all sorts of possibilities. Auto/hybrid could be replaced by "remotely operated" mode, where the drivers can't see the field, only a monitor.

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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

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I also think we'll be seeing the new RC.

And, I predict*, its capabilities will wow the crowd. Care to speculate?
802.11 wireless - what can you do with a 11 Mb/s data stream for example?

Don

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There is a little speculation for you.

I am hoping that the sneak preview is the new control system/KOP but there is no guarantee.

As long as the new control system is something fairly powerful and still comparable to what is used in industry (ie not lego mindstorms) and it can be programmed in a fairly standard language I will be satisfied.

As a side note (and most likely unrelated) Dean has been very interested in robotic blimps, there will be atleast 2 different ones on display this year in ATL
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I also think we'll be seeing the new RC.

And, I predict*, its capabilities will wow the crowd. Care to speculate?
802.11 wireless - what can you do with a 11 Mb/s data stream for example?

Don

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IFI has that patented so it's pretty much out of the question.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

Maybe Dean is going to present his infamous prosthetic arm?
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I'm betting on 2 alliances of 4v4, with a larger field.
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I'm betting on 2 alliances of 4v4, with a larger field.
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IFI has that patented so it's pretty much out of the question.
They patented a standard?
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Future of FRC - Sneak Peek

hopefully it has a wireless programing setup.
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And, I predict*, its capabilities will wow the crowd. Care to speculate?
802.11 wireless - what can you do with a 11 Mb/s data stream for example?
Keep in mind 11Mb/s would have to be shared with a number of robots. Given that 802.11b/g only has 3 non-overlapping channels (and given that most venues will be using at least one of these channels, many will use more), you're talking about having to share a single wireless channel with all the robots at an event.

There would be lots of complications with such an approach, and I hope if that's what FIRST has chosen that they've thought through them all. What's to prevent one team from stealing all the bandwidth and disabling all the other robots?

Oh, and if they do choose 802.11b/g, you'll probably never be allowed to use any kind of WiFi at a competition again! Goodbye wireless scouting networks, free WiFi for teams, etc...
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No they patented the use of 802.11 as a means of controlling robots. It was in a press release during build season.
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