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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

Quoting Violation for rule <G20>, not the rule itself. "TOWER is disabled if MINIBOT is DEPLOYED above the DEPLOYMENT LINE."

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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

Yes but what if the minibot can jump under it's own power by means of stretched tubing?
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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Deployment "ends" when the minibot is "positioned on" the tower, by definition. Autonomous for the minibot starts immediately, you can't do anything after that to help it out. My take....
Your take means nothing. Either cite the manual or an official source.
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

<R101>If a MINIBOT is rejected by inspectors due to a safety issue or concern related to the team’s method of storing energy, the concerned items must be disabled or removed from the MINIBOT before it can compete in a MATCH. The team bears the burden of proof that such a rejection is not valid. Teams should be prepared to provide justifiable test data or calculations during inspection to support their design.

I'm sure they can easily use that rule to disqualify any robot using "unsafe" methods of energy storage.
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

hey everyone im sitting here a day after kick off reading ppls posts and i cant help but notice, you guys are worrying about how much force it takes once the minibot reaches the top of the post. 2 - 4 newtons is only like a half pound to a pound of force for it to register. All your minibot has to to is just touch it and it'll register! If its got enough force to climb the post, its got plenty of torque to register. lol


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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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Your take means nothing. Either cite the manual or an official source.
I'm sure you simply meant that my opinion doesn't count any more than anyone else's, and I would completely agree. I did cite the manual in a slightly earlier post in this thread (and in a couple of other related threads), and did not wish to paste in yet again. Clearly, the only opinions that count are the rulings of the GDC, but the point here is to share/discuss our opinions until we can get clarification. Otherwise, why bother with the thread at all?

If you disagree with my take on an issue, that's great. I'd like to hear your reasoning if you want to elaborate. Maybe you can change my mind, maybe I can change yours, maybe we can come up with an approach that includes both our viewpoints, or maybe we'll both turn out to be partially right and wrong...

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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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Quoting Violation for rule <G20>, not the rule itself. "TOWER is disabled if MINIBOT is DEPLOYED above the DEPLOYMENT LINE."
Reading also the definition of DEPLOYMENT:

DEPLOYMENT the act of positioning a MINIBOT on a TOWER. DEPLOYMENT starts when the MINIBOT breaks the vertical projection of the TOWER BASE circumference during the END GAME. (Related form, DEPLOY, verb)

It seems that it could be possible to launch a minibot outside the vertical projection of the tower base and above the deployment line as long as the hostbot lets go of the minibot before the minibot breaks the projection. If this is true, then I figure it would much easier to launch the minibot at top of the hostbot since the distance to the sensor would be much less.

Does this seem legal? I feel this is not in the spirit in the game but as far as I can tell it seems legal but perhaps technically difficult to achieve.
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

The way i saw things was that you can only use certain items as specified in the rule book and you cant use certain other items but i believe that the rules did state that a minibot needed exactly one battery ie no more no less
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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The way i saw things was that you can only use certain items as specified in the rule book and you cant use certain other items but i believe that the rules did state that a minibot needed exactly one battery ie no more no less
I believe the line that you are thinking of states that are you allowed only one battery. This is to ensure that one does not use more than one power source on their minibot, and I do not believe that any team is obligated to have one.

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Does this seem legal? I feel this is not in the spirit in the game but as far as I can tell it seems legal but perhaps technically difficult to achieve.
One could've argued that redirecting balls off the overpass wasn't in the "spirit" of the game, but the spirit of the game, and the game are essentially two different things.

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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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By this definition, it doesn't seem that it needs to remain there, it just needs to touch the top.
I like this interpretation and agree with it.
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I think that if you store some energy (like elastic through rubbers i.e.) on your ROBOT to launch your MINIBOT, it won't be autonomous.
Is storing energy with rubber any different from storing energy chemically (i.e., a battery)?
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But wouldn't "giving a boost" be illegal?
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Which to my understanding is as soon as the mini bot or deployment like device is anywhere over the base.
If the second assertion were true - deployment takes place the instant the robot touches the plane of the base - then my Hostbot's pushing it the rest of the way TO the tower pole wouldn't be allowed, because it's not autonomous on the part of the minibot. Right?

OK, so let's theorize that we CAN in fact continue to push Minibot to the pole. As soon as we RELEASE minibot, it must be autonomous.

What if I release it with a huge spring? It's moving up at 10 m/s, hostbot isn't touching it...and when it slows down enough, the motors take over, propelling minibot the rest of the way to the top.

Does that sound illegal?
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

what would you make the spring out of as there is not a spring in the list of parts you can use for the minibot
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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what would you make the spring out of as there is not a spring in the list of parts you can use for the minibot
On the minibots, you could manipulate rubber bands or surgical tubing to store energy. Just an idea.

I don't think that we're sure about the legality of it, but we could also have springs on the hostbots that could make the minibot spring up.
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could you make the your minibot climb over th other minibot
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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could you make the your minibot climb over th other minibot
As in making your robot climb over an opponent's robot to beat them up? No. See <G21>.
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Re: Do minibots need to stay at the top of the pole?

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could you make the your minibot climb over th other minibot
Definitely not the opposing alliance's minibot, but as for your own alliance's minibot, such as in the case it stopped working, I don't know...the Q&A opens on Wednesday
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