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#271
12-21-2017, 03:58 PM
 Buxtonator Registered User FRC #2876 Join Date: May 2017 Location: Burlington, MA Posts: 3
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

WE HAVE IT! We figured it all out! By making the connections with the teaser trailer, a FRC blog post, and a picture of the 2018 drive team buttons, we have the game for this year. Through logic and deductive reasoning, we have figured out the components of the 2018 game.
Basically, the game is going to be a water game (obviously). In autonomous, robots will use a metal 'spoon' to insert coins into a coin slot. Depending on how many coins are inserted into the slot, the electrical current will build up in 'power'. Once autonomous ends, the water will be shocked with the amount electricity earned in Auto. Robots will have to scoop that electrified water out with the same spoon (it could be a bowl, we're not sure yet). Using the energy from the water, teams would cook a pot of chili with the heat generated from the electricity. Whoever's chili is the most cooked by the end of the game wins!

But wait, there's more! Instead of using one type of coin (which would be too obvious), there would be 3 types of coins: 2 small coins, 2 medium coins, and 1 big coin. We're not sure what this means (yet), but we will soon. The evidence is in the number of circles (AKA coins) in the picture of chili.

What about human players, you ask? Who do you think stirs all that chili?

Check out this image and these blog posts to see the evidence for yourself:
https://www.firstinspires.org/roboti...t-registration
https://www.firstinspires.org/roboti...wer-up-buttons

If you have any questions about our theory, feel free to ask me and my team of well trained experts.
#272
12-23-2017, 12:21 AM
 GoDiegoPro Registered User AKA: Diego FRC #3255 (The SuperNURDs) Team Role: Mechanical Join Date: Sep 2017 Rookie Year: 2017 Location: Escondido California Posts: 3
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Don't think anyone has talked about theses yet but these came from files on the FIRST Power up page under DLC pack 2. They look like blocks we'll have to connect to each other to form images like the bots in the game teaser photos
#273
12-23-2017, 12:49 AM
 pkrishna3082 love/hate relationship with swerve AKA: Parthiv Krishna FRC #3082 (Chicken Bot Pie) and FTC #13471 Mentor (Minnetonka) Team Role: Leadership Join Date: Mar 2017 Rookie Year: 2016 Location: Minnetonka, MN, USA Posts: 801
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by GoDiegoPro Don't think anyone has talked about theses yet but these came from files on the FIRST Power up page under DLC pack 2. They look like blocks we'll have to connect to each other to form images like the bots in the game teaser photos
Are you suggesting making patterns with different colored blocks? Plausible, seems like the glyphs in FTC right now.
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#274
12-23-2017, 09:25 AM
 Landon K Registered User AKA: Landon Kohtz FRC #6090 (Wayland Wildcats) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: May 2017 Rookie Year: 2016 Location: Wayland, MI Posts: 65
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by GoDiegoPro Don't think anyone has talked about theses yet but these came from files on the FIRST Power up page under DLC pack 2. They look like blocks we'll have to connect to each other to form images like the bots in the game teaser photos
I'm doubtful that they would post anything that would be close to a game piece before kickoff, I could be obviously wrong though. That would be a lot of cubes.
#275
12-23-2017, 02:56 PM
 Overlord6190 Registered User AKA: Thomas K. FRC #4561 (TerrorBytes) Team Role: Driver Join Date: Jan 2016 Rookie Year: 2016 Location: Cary,NC Posts: 12
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by GoDiegoPro Don't think anyone has talked about theses yet but these came from files on the FIRST Power up page under DLC pack 2. They look like blocks we'll have to connect to each other to form images like the bots in the game teaser photos
This is fake. The "blocks" are not in the DLC pack.
#276
12-23-2017, 03:09 PM
 Landon K Registered User AKA: Landon Kohtz FRC #6090 (Wayland Wildcats) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: May 2017 Rookie Year: 2016 Location: Wayland, MI Posts: 65
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Overlord6190 This is fake. The "blocks" are not in the DLC pack.
I found them in the "Bring8BitAlive" folder under "bit1" and "bit2" as a .jpeg. They are posted by FIRST with the DLC content. Here is the link, it's in the DLC pack 2.
#277
12-23-2017, 03:38 PM
 Overlord6190 Registered User AKA: Thomas K. FRC #4561 (TerrorBytes) Team Role: Driver Join Date: Jan 2016 Rookie Year: 2016 Location: Cary,NC Posts: 12
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

oh
#278
12-23-2017, 06:32 PM
 natth4545 Registered User no team Team Role: CAD Join Date: Aug 2017 Rookie Year: 2016 Location: Virginia Posts: 48
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Landon K I found them in the "Bring8BitAlive" folder under "bit1" and "bit2" as a .jpeg. They are posted by FIRST with the DLC content. Here is the link, it's in the DLC pack 2.
They are for 3D printing 8 bit objects
#279
12-23-2017, 07:36 PM
 GoDiegoPro Registered User AKA: Diego FRC #3255 (The SuperNURDs) Team Role: Mechanical Join Date: Sep 2017 Rookie Year: 2017 Location: Escondido California Posts: 3
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by natth4545 They are for 3D printing 8 bit objects
Yeah that seems more plausible now that i think about it.
#280
12-25-2017, 01:21 AM
 11BlackHawk24 Registered User no team Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: St. Croix Posts: 2
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

So, I have been reading and taking some notes on what people are saying and combined them with some of my own thoughts. I wanted to quote as many of the initial posters as possible to cite sources, but I apologize for my severe lack of motivation. Instead, heeeeere’s a list: GeeTwo, Hitchhiker 42, Big-b, Shiley, Maxcr1, lapickett, bduddy, Yourname, ctt956, cad321, & Tom Line. Furthermore, everyone has spectacular ideas about what the game could be, and this is merely my shot in the dark without any attempt to discredit another’s opinion of the likelihood of the game; because as the GDC has shown before, they can be unpredictable.

Starting off, I’d like to touch on new sorts of trends we’ve been seeing in the games, a new culture of themes. What else has come with this*? The diversification of scoring methods! Yes. While in the past we generally saw more simplistic 1 or two target games with possible variability in how you scored them, now we are seeing this in addition to secondary and tertiary objectives. In 2016, we had boulders (high & low goals), defenses, and climbing. In 2017, we had fuel (high & low boiler), gears, and climbing. I might go as far as to say this might be the new phase of “two-game-pieces-and-an-endgame,” to which the GDC would reply “it’s not a phase, community!”

That said, game pieces and objectives. I am almost certain we won’t be going back to the same single piece primary objective, secondary endgame. It’s been said before, I’ll say it again for the masses, I am pretty sure one game piece will be the coin. Whether it be hockey pucks (which I admittedly thought we’d have as coal last year), inflatable tubes, or some other sort of round object, I cannot say at all for certain. I do feel slightly stronger about inflatables, however due to the nondescript claw on the red robot on the middle panel/banners. However, I do have a new development I came across that I can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone else talking about yet.

https://imgur.com/R84e8MD
See it?

https://imgur.com/21apA6u

Yes, this weird block on the robot’s chassis that almost disguises it as - and God forbid I actually say it – a fork lift of some sort. I think this is the second game piece we haven’t been talking about, even though this seems exactly like the “hidden in plain sight” game the GDC may or may not be playing with us. I’m going to call these “structure” or “level blocks.” We see a robot with level block placed on the side of the arcade game (in four out of the five levels), and also in banner one.

https://imgur.com/fKVO2Xb

And while you might discredit me for saying it appears on the side of the arcade game in the section that is “clearly” Logomotion, what if it’s not at all? After reading GeeTwo’s comment (on the nose as usual, in my book) I came to the realization that it really might not be Logomotion. Yeah, the logos are there, so what? Does that mean FIRST can’t incorporate their logo into a new game with a purposefully similar pixelated game preview? Definitely not, and as I said before, “hidden in plain sight.” What if the games that all had similarities to each other, included the 2018 game? Gee, that’d almost make sense. Proceeding, I think the games in top-bottom order are: 2016, 2005, 2017, 2018, 2007. I will be honest though. Past the prospect of the four games potentially having a similarity to the 2018 game, I don’t think there’s much there. Please though, be my guest to try to decode it and prove me wrong, maybe also suggesting it’s an underwater-drone-on-Mars game along the way. Moving forward.

For me, the banners are big. Pictures say a thousand words, and while those pictures’ words are garbled, I think some of them might overlap. Earlier on, there was a tuned banner that emboldened hidden lines in the banner which I hadn’t even initially noticed, relinked here. ~ What I see in the picture are the “goals” of sorts as GeeTwo described them, and a lightbulb at the top of a mast in the center region. A final note I took from the banners was the obvious presence of coins. In banner one, the robots have eyes and appear to be looking at each other. However, I saw something different, which was them looking at the coins nearest to them, possibly looking to intake them. And while this guarantees nothing, I feel like their mere constant presence in the reveal video and banners afford the hunks of metal some valued thought as game pieces (puns intended, don’t laugh). Lastly, in the second banner, we see a robot depicted at the base of the poster and another robot at a higher level. I have a hunch this is where the game theory takes over as it
ties into the “structure/level blocks.”

Okay. Here’s my #gamesense. In a culmination of coins, mechanics, level blocks, (and the goals?) I am pretty sure the object of the game is to end on a higher level than the opponent. Similar to Steamworks with gears and pilots, I think that robots will have to collect level blocks to give to mechanics a human player, which mechanics can use to level up their alliance. In turn, robots will use the coins collected to then “power up” the game by shooting coins through the moving targets (slots). This process would be repeated to continue earning points and leveling up your alliance to escape the game to freedom//play for real. Who knows. Maybe you need to stack level blocks up to certain levels like recycle rush. Wow, that’d be something.

Yes, I know. Shooting objects again right after last year. I get it. How about this though? Moving goals for coins; never seen before. Fields are becoming motorized, as seen in 2017 rotors. And it was already said somewhere that we wouldn’t be having banners due to the space being occupied above drivers stations, quite possibly by goals. Then again, maybe not. A light up bulb for what level each alliance is powered up to would be a nice touch. Who knows. Maybe they’ll try to repay us by never having the “building pressure” steam pipe LEDs work.

No, I don’t think there will be power ups, no I don’t think there will be any concept that is truly right, and for all I know, it could be a water game. But please no, not my first year as a mentor.

Honestly, you people amaze me on these forums. Thank you for making CD a more thoughtful board. As said before, everyone here is cycling through spectacular ideas about the game, and this is merely my shot in the dark. After spending [too much] time reading media surrounding the topic, I felt like a good holiday gift to the thread would be posting something instead of prowling.

All that said, have some safe holly jolidays and a happy New Year.
* (odd rhetorical question probably making you think this a water game conspiracy)
#281
12-25-2017, 04:17 PM
 11BlackHawk24 Registered User no team Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: St. Croix Posts: 2
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

So, I have been reading and taking some notes on what people are saying and combined them with some of my own thoughts. I wanted to quote as many of the initial posters as possible to cite sources, but I apologize for my severe lack of motivation. Instead, heeeeere’s a list: GeeTwo, Hitchhiker 42, Big-b, Shiley, Maxcr1, lapickett, bduddy, Yourname, ctt956, cad321, & Tom Line. Furthermore, everyone has spectacular ideas about what the game could be, and this is merely my shot in the dark without any attempt to discredit another’s opinion of the likelihood of the game; because as the GDC has shown before, they can be unpredictable.

Starting off, I’d like to touch on new sorts of trends we’ve been seeing in the games, a new culture of themes. What else has come with this*? The diversification of scoring methods! Yes. While in the past we generally saw more simplistic 1 or two target games with possible variability in how you scored them, now we are seeing this in addition to secondary and tertiary objectives. In 2016, we had boulders (high & low goals), defenses, and climbing. In 2017, we had fuel (high & low boiler), gears, and climbing. I might go as far as to say this might be the new phase of “two-game-pieces-and-an-endgame,” to which the GDC would reply “it’s not a phase, community!”

That said, game pieces and objectives. I am almost certain we won’t be going back to the same single piece primary objective, secondary endgame. It’s been said before, I’ll say it again for the masses, I am pretty sure one game piece will be the coin. Whether it be hockey pucks (which I admittedly thought we’d have as coal last year), inflatable tubes, or some other sort of round object, I cannot say at all for certain. I do feel slightly stronger about inflatables, however due to the nondescript claw on the red robot on the middle panel/banners. However, I do have a new development I came across that I can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone else talking about yet.

https://imgur.com/YU1h8PX
See it?

https://imgur.com/6ACZyhr

Yes, this weird block on the robot’s chassis that almost disguises it as - and God forbid I actually say it – a fork lift of some sort. I think this is the second game piece we haven’t been talking about, even though this seems exactly like the “hidden in plain sight” game the GDC may or may not be playing with us. I’m going to call these “structure” or “level blocks.” They almost look if they are half of one section of the cross support that all the robots are driving on in the above pictures. Maybe this is part of the challenge in that we must rotate them to make this diagonal pattern with the blocks. We see a robot with level block placed on the side of the arcade game (in four out of the five levels), as well as in banner one.
https://imgur.com/7QM6bM4

And while you might discredit me for saying it appears on the side of the arcade game in the section that is “clearly” Logomotion, what if it’s not at all? After reading GeeTwo’s comment (on the nose as usual, in my book) I came to the realization that it really might not be Logomotion. Yeah, the logos are there, so what? Does that mean FIRST can’t incorporate their logo into a new game with a purposefully similar pixelated game preview? Definitely not, and as I said before, “hidden in plain sight.” What if the games that all had similarities to each other, included the 2018 game? Gee, that’d almost make sense. Proceeding, I think the games in top-bottom order are: 2016, 2005, 2017, 2018, 2007. I will be honest though. Past the prospect of the four games potentially having a similarity to the 2018 game, I don’t think there’s much there. Please though, be my guest to try to decode it and prove me wrong, maybe also suggesting it’s an underwater-drone-on-Mars game along the way. Moving forward.

For me, the banners are big. Pictures say a thousand words, and while those pictures’ words are garbled, I think some of them might overlap. Earlier on, there was a tuned banner that emboldened hidden lines in the banner which I hadn’t even initially noticed, relinked here. ~ What I see in the picture are the “goals” of sorts as GeeTwo described them, and a lightbulb at the top of a mast in the center region. A final note I took from the banners was the obvious presence of coins. In banner one, the robots have eyes and appear to be looking at each other. However, I saw something different, which was them looking at the coins nearest to them, possibly looking to intake them. And while this guarantees nothing, I feel like their mere constant presence in the reveal video and banners afford the hunks of metal some valued thought as game pieces (puns intended, don’t laugh). Lastly, in the second banner, we see a robot depicted at the base of the poster and another robot at a higher level. I have a hunch this is where the game theory takes over as it ties into the “structure/level blocks.”

Okay. Here’s my #gamesense. In a culmination of coins, mechanics, level blocks, (and the goals?) I am pretty sure the object of the game is to end on a higher level than the opponent. Similar to Steamworks with gears and pilots, I think that robots will have to collect level blocks to give to mechanics a human player, which mechanics can use to level up their alliance. In turn, robots will use the coins collected to then “power up” the game by shooting coins through the moving targets (slots). This process would be repeated to continue earning points and leveling up your alliance to escape the game to freedom//play for real. Who knows. Maybe you need to stack level blocks up to certain levels like recycle rush. Wow, that’d be something.

Yes, I know. Shooting objects again right after last year. I get it. How about this though? Moving goals for coins; never seen before. Fields are becoming motorized, as seen in 2017 rotors. And it was already said somewhere that we wouldn’t be having banners due to the space being occupied above drivers stations, quite possibly by goals. Then again, maybe not. A light up bulb for what level each alliance is powered up to would be a nice touch. Who knows. Maybe they’ll try to repay us by never having the “building pressure” steam pipe LEDs work.

No, I don’t think there will be power ups, no I don’t think there will be any concept that is truly right, and for all I know, it could be a water game. But please no, not my first year as a mentor.

Honestly, you people amaze me on these forums. Thank you for making CD a more thoughtful board. As said before, everyone here is cycling through spectacular ideas about the game, and this is merely my shot in the dark. After spending [too much] time reading media surrounding the topic, I felt like a good holiday gift to the thread would be posting something instead of prowling.

All that said, have some safe holly jolidays and a happy New Year.

* (odd rhetorical question probably making you think this a water game conspiracy)
#282
12-26-2017, 08:59 AM
 Daniel_LaFleur Mad Scientist AKA: Me FRC #2040 (DERT) Team Role: Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Rookie Year: 2003 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 2,319
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by natth4545 They are for 3D printing 8 bit objects
Quote:
 Originally Posted by GoDiegoPro Yeah that seems more plausible now that i think about it.
But wouldn't it be cool to see the big robots trying to make images out of those tiny blocks (pixels)
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#283
12-26-2017, 10:18 PM
 JimWright949 The Owen Day of Seattle AKA: Jim Wright FRC #4542 (Titanium Talons) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Sep 2003 Rookie Year: 2003 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 105
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

I think the game elements are going to be the same as the FTC Glyphs, but in brighter colors.
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#284
12-27-2017, 01:41 AM
 Sriram Neravati Registered User FRC #5124 (West Torrance Robotics) Team Role: Operator Join Date: Dec 2017 Rookie Year: 2014 Location: Torrance Posts: 10
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Big Ball Game
#285
12-31-2017, 05:23 PM
 nixpower Registered User AKA: Armeen Mahdian FRC #4096 (Ctrl-Z); fmr. FRC #1984 (Jawas) Team Role: Programmer Join Date: Feb 2017 Rookie Year: 2017 Location: Champaign Posts: 14
Re: 2018 Game Speculation

Quote:
 Originally Posted by pkrishna3082 Do I hear an application for neural networks? Game piece detection... it would be really really cool to watch, especially at the high levels of competition.
Speaking of tech fads (flamewar incoming), perhaps we'll see something along the lines of a cryptocurrency, especially given the whole coin dynamic we're seeing. Grasping at straws here, but maybe a very simplified form of "computing hashes" or the formation of a "blockchain" network.

It's pretty unlikely, but still...

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