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Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

With the proposal of Districts comes along many questions that have not been answered. Please feel free to answer if you have knowledge or a good Idea of what the answer is:

1) Where will the DCMP happen?

2) How will UIL Winners be decided?

3) Besides the regionals we have right now, will any other district events be created?

4) When will event locations/dates be released?

5) At DCMP, will we be following the model of Ontario of having two divisions (I hope so)?

6) If so, will we be using the Michigan method of determining divisions (I hope so)?

7) Each district gets to determine how many DCCA, DEI, etc. awards will be up for grabs at DCMP. What is this amount for Texas?

8) On a similar note, how many Dean's Lists will be awarded at DCMP?

9) Will all Texas Events be Fri-Sat or Sat-Sun or a mix?

10) There are many power house teams in Texas that already attend 3 regionals, many attending regionals like Colorado, South Beach, and San Diego. Will anything be done to "even the field" as these teams may attend a 3rd event under the district model?

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Re: Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

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10) There are many power house teams in Texas that already attend 3 regionals, many attending regionals like Colorado, South Beach, and San Diego. Will anything be done to "even the field" as these teams may attend a 3rd event under the district model?
Not sure if it's what you mean, but in all districts, only the first two events are considered for point assignment. If you attend a third event, you receive 0 points regardless of how well (or how badly) you do.
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Re: Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

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Not sure if it's what you mean, but in all districts, only the first two events are considered for point assignment. If you attend a third event, you receive 0 points regardless of how well (or how badly) you do.
Yes but if number one and number two team up to win an event and it is both of their third events that means no one gets those valuable district points
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7) Each district gets to determine how many DCCA, DEI, etc. awards will be up for grabs at DCMP. What is this amount for Texas?

8) On a similar note, how many Dean's Lists will be awarded at DCMP?
From Section 10.12.3.8 of the 2018 manual:
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Table 10‑11 outlines the District Championship allocations for 2018. Districts determine the number of Dean’s List, Chairman’s, Rookie All Star, and Engineering Inspiration Awards to present at their Championship, within a range established by FIRST. The team counts are based on the team representation of the respective District at the respective Championship. For the awards, ranges are developed by using ratios agreed upon by FIRST and District Leadership. These ranges allow each District to represent their own community as they see fit. For the Chairman’s Award, the ratios range from one (1) Chairman’s Award Team for every eighteen (18) Championship District Teams to one (1) Chairman’s Award Team for every nine (9) Championship District Teams. For the Dean’s List Award, the ratios range from one (1) Dean’s List Finalist for every nine (9) Championship District Teams to one (1) Dean’s List Finalist for every six (6) Championship District Teams.

All Districts, regardless of Championship Slot allocation, may award one (1) or two (2) Engineering Inspiration and Rookie All-Star Awards.

Chairman’s Award and Dean’s List Award maximums and minimums are determined by ratios applied to a given District’s Championship Slot allocations. However, Districts assigned to Houston have relatively larger Championship slot allocations for a given team count compared to Districts assigned to Detroit, and we did not want these larger allocations to skew award allocations. So, for the purposes of award allocations only, Championship slots for Houston Districts were ‘normalized’, as shown in the table, reducing the slots allocated to what they would have been if both Championship geographies had the same total number of FIRST Robotics Competition teams. This ‘normalized’ slot allocation was then used to determine award minimums and maximums. As noted, these normalized slot values are used only for award allocations. The Houston-assigned Districts still retain the full Championship Slots Allocated (the larger number) shown in the table.
My back of the envelope math says Texas should get ~35 Worlds slots. Based on the normalized slots l think you should get 1-3 CA slots and 3-4 Deans List slots. Every district gets 1-2 EI slots and 1-2 RAS slots. Within those ranges it's up to your district administration to select how many they want.

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Re: Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

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With the proposal of Districts comes along many questions that have not been answered. Please feel free to answer if you have knowledge or a good Idea of what the answer is:

1) Where will the DCMP happen?

2) How will UIL Winners be decided?

3) Besides the regionals we have right now, will any other district events be created?

4) When will event locations/dates be released?

5) At DCMP, will we be following the model of Ontario of having two divisions (I hope so)?

6) If so, will we be using the Michigan method of determining divisions (I hope so)?

7) Each district gets to determine how many DCCA, DEI, etc. awards will be up for grabs at DCMP. What is this amount for Texas?

8) On a similar note, how many Dean's Lists will be awarded at DCMP?

9) Will all Texas Events be Fri-Sat or Sat-Sun or a mix?

10) There are many power house teams in Texas that already attend 3 regionals, many attending regionals like Colorado, South Beach, and San Diego. Will anything be done to "even the field" as these teams may attend a 3rd event under the district model?

Thanks.
11) Is this the year districts finally happen in Texas?
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11) Is this the year districts finally happen in Texas?
Yes. It's already confirmed Texas is districts in 2019.

To answer some other questions, if my math is right Texas needs 8 district events plus the State Championship if there is zero team growth next year. So more likely 9-10 districts plus a state championship.

Event locations and dates will be released at the same time they have been for the last several years. Between late August and early November.

As for third plays I'm 99 percent sure it's going to be exactly like every other district and how they do third or fourth plays. First two events within the district count for points, nothing else matters (qualifying for states wise. Teams could still qualify for champs at an outside regional).
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Re: Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

Was this really a topic that needed an anon account for? Like I understand if the topic is sensitive, but for a basic QA about an upcoming district?

Also, on #2, somewhere on here it was said UIL becomes DCMP. I dont remember offhand where though.

On 5/6, you're roughly the same size as PNW, so id assume a single division DCMP.
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Not sure if it's what you mean, but in all districts, only the first two events are considered for point assignment. If you attend a third event, you receive 0 points regardless of how well (or how badly) you do.
So if a team wanted to attend an event in advance to prep for their two qualifying district events, would the team need to go to a regional or another district's events?
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So if a team wanted to attend an event in advance to prep for their two qualifying district events, would the team need to go to a regional or another district's events?
Yes.
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On 5/6, you're roughly the same size as PNW, so id assume a single division DCMP.
On the other hand PNW and ONT are about the same size and TX has more teams than either of them. So its up to district leadership.
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So if a team wanted to attend an event in advance to prep for their two qualifying district events, would the team need to go to a regional or another district's events?
Yes. Many teams like to go to regional's week 1/2 for reasons like this.
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Re: Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

Some of the questions are answered here.
http://firstintexas.org/events/district-model/faq/

Some of the OP's questions are not directly answered but can be extracted from the given info.

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(FIT website) UIL eligible participating teams scores will be tracked in an additional spreadsheet.
It is unclear what will be used to determine the UIL champion. The page on the website that has this info has not been updated. It currently states the criteria for the 2018 FIRST POWER UP season. Two possibilities that come to mind are 1. using the results from the DCMP event only or 2. the highest final season point total (district points + 3x DCMP points).

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(FIT website) 10 District Event Chairman’s Award winners
This implies four more events than last year.

5) & 6)
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(FIT website) The District State Championship will have 64 spots (subject to change).
With 64 spots, I would not expect divisions.

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Re: Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

1) probably Austin convention center.
2) UIL winners will most likely be winners of state champs assuming they are UIL eligible.
3) Probably a couple.
5) Not likely.
6) Even less likely.
9) Most likely majority Fri-Sat with very few if any Sat-Sun
10) Yeah probably not, most teams will attend even more events now. We plan to TRY to attend 3 district events or 4 (not very likely though), hopefully DCMPS and champs, bringing our total to 5 or 6.
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Re: Texas Districts: Questions that need answers!

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5) At DCMP, will we be following the model of Ontario of having two divisions (I hope so)?
If I remember correctly, according to the manual a DCMP will have more than one division under the following circumstances:
1) A large number of teams. (This is probably what happens in Michigan)
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2) There is not a venue that can hold all of the team so they must split it up.

I am 99% sure I am correct about the is. It should be in the manual some ware.

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If I remember correctly, according to the manual a DCMP will have more than one division under the following circumstances:
1) A large number of teams. (This is probably what happens in Michigan)
If this is the reason then why is New England only one field? I know of at least 3 local teams who are dissolving due to not making it to New Englands consistently because it is so competitive.
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