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[TBA Blog] How to Win IRI 2017 and Who to Win With



How to Win IRI 2017 and Who to Win With

The Festival of Champions has two sets of world champions; Chezy Champs may have the best in the West; but IRI is known throughout all of FIRST to be the home to the best robots, and is heralded as the most competitive event of the year.

Since IRI is the cream of the crop in FIRST, letís look at a few things: first, the archetypes of robots in STEAMWorks. Second, what high-level play in STEAMworks looks like, and finally, Iíll give my thoughts on some of the teams to watch for at IRI this year.

Check out the rest of the article here: https://blog.thebluealliance.com/201...o-to-win-with/

Do you agree with our predictions? Reply to this thread and let us know!
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Re: [TBA Blog] How to Win IRI 2017 and Who to Win With

Thanks for writing up this post. My only disagreement with the post is that 2122 wasn't mentioned. They have one of the most consistent 40 kpa autons out there and their gear game isn't something to take lightly. I would be very surprised if Tators weren't one of the top seeds as well as if they don't make it far in elims.

Best of luck to all teams competing. It's is sure to be a great competition.
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I'm sad we didn't show up on the list of teams in this blog yeah we aren't that well know however we could have easily gone toe to toe with 118 in the elimination matches of Newton division in Houston, but unfortunately, we never got to. We don't necessarily have the best but a very decent hopper auto and often got 40 kpa in matches in Newton. Also if we were to focus on gears we could easily do 4 and have done up to 7 in the past with our ground pickup.

I don't understand why were not showing up on to many prediction radars other than were a second-year team.

I really hope we surprise everyone...
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Thanks for writing up this post. My only disagreement with the post is that 2122 wasn't mentioned. They have one of the most consistent 40 kpa autons out there and their gear game isn't something to take lightly. I would be very surprised if Tators weren't one of the top seeds as well as if they don't make it far in elims.

Best of luck to all teams competing. It's is sure to be a great competition.
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Thanks for writing up this post. My only disagreement with the post is that 2122 wasn't mentioned. They have one of the most consistent 40 kpa autons out there and their gear game isn't something to take lightly. I would be very surprised if Tators weren't one of the top seeds as well as if they don't make it far in elims.

Best of luck to all teams competing. It's is sure to be a great competition.
+1 but in addition to 2122 I would include 1619, they didn't have very good luck at the championship but I think they deserved a mention. Obviously you can't completely please everyone.

It was an excellent blog post, I was happy to see 3847 get a mention.
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It was an excellent blog post, I was happy to see 3847 get a mention.
I was really impressed with 3847 in prescouting them.

I'm curious to see how the new hopper autos (3847, 2791, 4587, and I'm sure others) turn out. Unless they can convince an established hopper auto to run theirs instead, they may only have a few matches to show it off before eliminations.
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+1 but in addition to 2122 I would include 1619, they didn't have very good luck at the championship but I think they deserved a mention. Obviously you can't completely please everyone.

It was an excellent blog post, I was happy to see 3847 get a mention.
I feel like a doofus not seeing that 1619 wasnít mentioned. Another team that deserved to be mentoined and will for sure do amazing at IRI.
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I'm sad we didn't show up on the list of teams in this blog yeah we aren't that well know however we could have easily gone toe to toe with 118 in the elimination matches of Newton division in Houston, but unfortunately, we never got to. We don't necessarily have the best but a very decent hopper auto and often got 40 kpa in auto in Newton. Also if we were to focus on gears we could easily do 4 and have done up to 7 in the past with our ground pickup.

I don't understand why were not showing up on to many prediction radars other than were a second-year team.

I really hope we surprise everyone...
Don't be sad, these rankings do tend to favor the more established powerhouses. Think of this IRI as a chance to get your name out there.

And besides, those who have really been doing their homework know to watch out for 5842. I'm looking forward to our match together
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Thank you for highlighting 2337's strategy at MSC, it was so unique that I wish more people would have seen it.

They figured out that they should outshoot any robot (especially in their division that didn't have a decent shooter (aka >10kpa)),so they took 2 weaker robots that played the best defense and could climb (according to our rankings) and would play 2 and D, because 2 rotors + 41 kPa + 3 climbs beat 3 rotors (and little fuel) every time. (and yes, they beat us with it)

Their alliance defense was top notch, and only the super strong division alliance with 33, 2834, and 469 could show them. Round 1, the Bees alliance got 4 rotors, so they had to change it up. Normally, they played their defense in the middle of the field, but with the 4 rotor match, they switched to defense on the pegs (and 5561 could come out to hit the bees if they shot) the second round. This strategy silenced the arena (spread between 4 fields) as just the craziest strategy attempted this year.

My opinion from the match (and strategy in general) : How was there not a blockade yellow card thrown? Multiple robots shutting off major scoring elements is the definition of G10. (guess it says all 3 lifts) Also, the bee's alliance complained after that match that multiple pegs were bent due to the heavy defense on them and should have gotten a field destruction yellow card.

In general, I thought G10 wasn't called enough this season; when a blockade is so bad that the announcer says the blue alliance trapped all 3 red robots in their 1/3 of the field, I think that's a blockade.

G10. Donít collude with your partners to shut down major parts of game play. Two or more ROBOTS may not isolate or close off any major facet of MATCH play, e.g. block all three opponent LIFTS, shut down all access to GAME PIECES, quarantine all opponents to a small
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Thank you for highlighting 2337's strategy at MSC, it was so unique that I wish more people would have seen it.

They figured out that they should outshoot any robot (especially in their division that didn't have a decent shooter (aka >10kpa)),so they took 2 weaker robots that played the best defense and could climb (according to our rankings) and would play 2 and D, because 2 rotors + 41 kPa + 3 climbs beat 3 rotors (and little fuel) every time. (and yes, they beat us with it)

Their alliance defense was top notch, and only the super strong division alliance with 33, 2834, and 469 could show them. Round 1, the Bees alliance got 4 rotors, so they had to change it up. Normally, they played their defense in the middle of the field, but with the 4 rotor match, they switched to defense on the pegs (and 5561 could come out to hit the bees if they shot) the second round. This strategy silenced the arena (spread between 4 fields) as just the craziest strategy attempted this year.

My opinion from the match (and strategy in general) : How was there not a blockade yellow card thrown? Multiple robots shutting off major scoring elements is the definition of G10. (guess it says all 3 lifts) Also, the bee's alliance complained after that match that multiple pegs were bent due to the heavy defense on them and should have gotten a field destruction yellow card.

In general, I thought G10 wasn't called enough this season; when a blockade is so bad that the announcer says the blue alliance trapped all 3 red robots in their 1/3 of the field, I think that's a blockade.

G10. Donít collude with your partners to shut down major parts of game play. Two or more ROBOTS may not isolate or close off any major facet of MATCH play, e.g. block all three opponent LIFTS, shut down all access to GAME PIECES, quarantine all opponents to a small
area of the FIELD, etc.
This has ben discussed before. The general verdict was that all 3 gear pegs would need to be blocked for it to count as blockading. I don't think the blockading rule should be done this way, and I think that rule definitely needs to be developed more, but that was the way it was for this season.
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Matt's post hit on a lot of key elements of Steamworks strategy, and I laud* it for that. Its a different way of organizing game strategy than I'm generally think of it, but the core ideas are similar to what I've seen and known throughout the season. It was really interesting and informative to think of Steamworks strategy in another organizational mode. (I, also, loved hearing from 2337's MSC strategy. It was really cool - whatever the legality of it may be.)

On the subject of specific teams:
I think one of the elements that makes 2767 so good is often overlooked: their ability to "play well" with other shooters, especially in autonomous. You can see this aspect going back even to their MI district play, when in an alliance with 4967 where they managed to both contribute fuel in autonomous effectively, which led them to a strongly fuel-backed district win. It showed up strongly in their StL Champs play with 254. I couldn't for sure say what precisely allows them to play well with others so well, but I suspect it's a combination of shooting position versatility, shot arc, and ability to wind up with a full hopper while running gears without going to a field hopper. Either way, I seem to notice that 2767 can better integrate with other shooters than most other teams can.

* laud is such a great word, and it gets used so rarely. In my books it's up there with "shenanigans" for cool words.
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I don't understand why were not showing up on to many prediction radars other than were a second-year team.

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Thanks for writing up this post. My only disagreement with the post is that 2122 wasn't mentioned. They have one of the most consistent 40 kpa autons out there and their gear game isn't something to take lightly. I would be very surprised if Tators weren't one of the top seeds as well as if they don't make it far in elims.

Best of luck to all teams competing. It's is sure to be a great competition.
I think the only opinion 2122 cares about is the teams they pick on Saturday and if they want to work with them or not.
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I'm sad we didn't show up on the list of teams in this blog yeah we aren't that well know however we could have easily gone toe to toe with 118 in the elimination matches of Newton division in Houston, but unfortunately, we never got to. We don't necessarily have the best but a very decent hopper auto and often got 40 kpa in auto in Newton. Also if we were to focus on gears we could easily do 4 and have done up to 7 in the past with our ground pickup.

I don't understand why were not showing up on to many prediction radars other than were a second-year team.

I really hope we surprise everyone...
Emphasis mine.

I think you guys had a great robot. That said you need to make sure you're using facts when saying something like this. The highest kpa totals your team ever had coming out of auto in a match was 26kpa at champs. Your average kpa in auto in quals and elims was 17.6875kpa/match auto.*

Don't get me wrong, averaging almost 18kpa in auto per match is way more then the large majority of teams in FIRST, but you have to realize it is IRI and there are a ton of great teams attending. Someone posted it to CD a little while ago, but the total number of teams that reached 40kpa in auto just once was very small. There are a bunch of extremely good robots that have great shots at winning this year that weren't mentioned. Just be sure when having conversation you're using factual-based reasoning.

*Source: TBA, auto kpa totals (Qual and Elim): 16, 20, 12, 12, 4, 22, 24, 5, 18, 22, 26, 23, 23, 11, 24, 21
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Interesting post. While the video from Waterloo might have showcased x-and-d, in actuality they just wanted to warm up the drivers defense for elims.
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