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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

I would check nearby geocaches.. Maybe they hid something in one? Anyway, I do think that the third number is key to understanding this hint. What geographical features are exactly 342 miles/feet/inches/cm/km/lightyears away from that square? Where does the 342 degree bearing intersect said circle?

Also, let's think outside the box. The first two numbers are convincing coordinates, but what else could they mean? Also note, if you flip the coordinates you get to a point in antarctica. The last could be a temperature in kelvin? (around 156 f) Unlikely..
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

another possible/crazy insight on this clue...

someone mentioned earlier that the name singleton was part of teh statues name and that that was a term used for a single ringer scored...

maybe we're using ringers again? highly unlikely but who knows how trhe minds of the GDC work
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

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...comes from the mind of a person who is concerned with the precise location (to the nearest centimeter or so) of an 8'L x 5'W x 5'H machine that is currently about 55 million miles from Earth -- and most of the time it is not that close!
Actually, as of noon GMT today, it is about 55,301,925 miles. Not that anyone is counting.

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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

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Exactly do you really think NASA. Let me say that again NASA, would make it that easy? Think about it its NASA some of the worlds brightest people probably work there. Even if they don't i think that they are way more qualified than us. Meaning they can make this thing very very complicated. They have probably spent months doing this hint.

Also read up people have mentioned the fact that what people think the game is and what it ends up being isn't even part of the truth.

Too bad someone doesn't know someone on the inside

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Members of the GDC are members of FIRST. NASA is a sponsor for FIRST and helps in many areas. We have engineers and scientists that work for and with NASA. Dave Lavery is one of them. Some of the world's best and brightest minds in science, technology, and engineering are members of FIRST, mentors for teams, involved with the GDC. They also post in ChiefDelphi or read the fora. That is why this is such a special place. The hints are provided to the teams to give us something to do before Kick Off. If we choose to explore the possibilities, we can. Or we can spend our time doing other fun things. FIRST isn't making anyone do anything, they are offering hints for the upcoming game.

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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

Just speculatively, since the third number is most likely a bearing and has SIX decimal places of precision, I am leaning towards it pointing us to something far way. However, the bearing passes through the obelisks and Globe Cafe, which (although it doesn't use the six decimal points) is pretty satisfying.

As we pursue the bearing idea further, which will probably dry up this clue for us, remember to shoot your bearings twice. Once using magnetic north and the other using true north.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

I just want to add,

To whoever thinks that we can use the IR sensor (without modifications, at least) to navigate, watch this video of it in use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUx2w3J_jDk
Note how the remote can be WAY off to the side. This means that it would be a lousy directional imaging system.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

The hancock tower is relatively close, within several decimals to: 342.24 ft. away from the coords provided by First.

Maybe it will have something to do with a tower.

Anyhow, I suggest full military incursion on this point to determine the exact meaning of the First clue.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

I have attached two files.

The file titled 1 indicates distance from the point in miles and kilometers.

the further point is miles.

the file titled 2 has feet.

if anyone is willing they can draw scale circles on there. I don't have the software to do that.

Anyways,

See if you can decifer this.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

IR will most likely be used for communication because much finner spacial positioning is done with ultrasound. Also, assuming you could only use one IR board, only one side of your bot could do spacial analysis, which is not very helpful.
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3D renderings of Copley square

Here are some 3D renderings of the square to help some of you out.

The two points are just a measure of the third value in feet from the coordinates
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

It seems that if you treat 342 as both a bearing and a distance in feet, it goes through the obelisks and almost directly onto the back wall of the globe cafe.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

ok, i have read all [most] of this thread and i saw the theories about the movie national treasure and the counterweight idea. I saw the movie tonight and thought i would put in my two cents: (this may or may not spoil the movie for you, its not that important though)

near the end there are four characters who have to stand on the corners of a giant wooden square that is balanced on a giant spike. They have to move around to keep the square balanced, and then they have to move together to try and raise up a corner so the guy could reach a suspended ladder.

Im not sure if i totally believe in the theory connecting the clue to national treasure, but if its true I would say that there would be something like that in the game, maybe four robots (using IR) that have to balance on a square in the center for the endgame.
Thats just what i think, its probably wrong though but just putting it out there
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

so i saw all these pages and havent read all of the posts but i looked up John Copely(the statue of the coordinates) and it says he was a painter who pioneered the use of pastels = colors = rainbow ir wire

i dont know if its just me but im seeing this color thing as a trend

maybe im getting too into it but oh well im having fun :-D

Edit:the green and orange subway lines stop at copely square if that means anything
-also MIT was first founded in the corner of copely square
-probably just useless info but its keeping me busy:-D
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

when looking at Copley square it seems to me that the statue of Copley just happens to be facing MIT and that just happens to be where woodie flowers works. and as someone else pointed out the direction the statue is facing is just about 342 degrees. just a little food for thought
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

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Please excuse me because I’m quite new to this forum stuff, but I think everyone here on Chief Delphi is taking this whole hint thing too literally. Two years ago for the “Aim High” game we were given the hint about seeing Mt. Everest’s “Green Heights”, or something to that effect. In the end we realized the hint meant seeing the green light up in the air for targeting the goal. The hint certainly didn’t me to go to Mt. Everest to see what you could see.
It was Montana's Green Heights btw.


The Green Heights (as you stated) was the elevated light.

The Montana link was attributed to a plateau (AKA: The Platform under the light) in popular theory that year as well.
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