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You mean we could actually get rid of Labview as an option?


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You mean we could actually get rid of Labview as an option?
What are you talking about? Proprietary graphical languages are for sure a better way to teach our students than simple scripting languages known for their ease of use and high readability that are extremely common in industry.
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What are you talking about? Proprietary graphical languages are for sure a better way to teach our students than simple scripting languages known for their ease of use and high readability that are extremely common in industry.
I'd be down for some robots programmed in Modkit.
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What are you talking about? Proprietary graphical languages are for sure a better way to teach our students than simple scripting languages known for their ease of use and high readability that are extremely common in industry.
So, for our realtime motion control system, we want to get rid of the one language out of three that's actually widely used for professional realtime motion control systems?
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So, for our realtime motion control system, we want to get rid of the one language out of three that's actually widely used for professional realtime motion control systems?
I'd like to get rid of the one that is touted as the "easiest for newbies" but then has almost no support at events because less than 25% of teams use it.

Also, both Java and C++ are also used in the robotics world.

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You mean we could actually get rid of Labview as an option?

Who on Earth would think that ditching LabVIEW as an option would be a positive change?
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So, for our realtime motion control system, we want to get rid of the one language out of three that's actually widely used for professional realtime motion control systems?
Right, which is why I've found so many job postings asking for LabView and not C, C++, or MatLab.
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Right, which is why I've found so many job postings asking for LabView and not C, C++, or MatLab.
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https://www.jobs.net/jobs/hcrnetwork...gle_jobs_apply

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Re: Significant Change coming to FRC (in 2020)

In the same vein, I could search indeed for jobs in FORTRAN or COBOL, but that doesn't mean we should be teaching high schoolers those languages.
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Correlation between programming language and robot performance

I saw some great labview debate in this thread and it made me wonder if there's a correlation between programming language and robot performance. Has anyone tried to measure this? I have a lot of anecdotes, but it'd be great to see more data about it.
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Remind me again of your credentials "in industry?"

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In the same vein, I could search indeed for jobs in FORTRAN or COBOL, but that doesn't mean we should be teaching high schoolers those languages.
LabVIEW is used in modern industry and is frequently applied in industrial and automation engineering fields. Same with similar environments from competitors, such as RSLogix.
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Re: Correlation between programming language and robot performance

Ideally the teams that use languages that aren't officially supporter are better on average, because they're risking getting no help from CSAs at an event. I would be surprised if there was any meaningful difference between the languages that are officially supported though, as there are high, middle, and low end teams that use each
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I saw some great labview debate in this thread and it made me wonder if there's a correlation between programming language and robot performance. Has anyone tried to measure this? I have a lot of anecdotes, but it'd be great to see more data about it.
De-anonymize this and I'll dive right in.
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Ideally the teams that use languages that aren't officially supporter are better on average, because they're risking getting no help from CSAs at an event. I would be surprised if there was any meaningful difference between the languages that are officially supported though, as there are high, middle, and low end teams that use each
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Taking a risk has no bearing on whether you'll perform well or not.
The willingness to take what others perceive as a risk may be correlated with higher performance. Causal? Nah, probably not.
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