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Not bad, but note this is a perspective view, not an orthographic view.

Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
Is this the place to point that out?
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Thanks for this!
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Thanks for taking the time to help out other teams.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
It's almost as if "Circuit Breakers" were a common electrical component frequently associated with electrical engineering and robotics.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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Not bad, but note this is a perspective view, not an orthographic view.
Unless Blender lied to me, its orthographic...

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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
I actually pointed this out to you a couple years ago! I also got a NASA poster from you guys for having the same team name in Houston this year. And yes, theyre very aware. We poke fun at it all the time.

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Is this the place to point that out?
100%. Why do it in a DM?

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It's almost as if "Circuit Breakers" were a common electrical component frequently associated with electrical engineering and robotics.
IIRC theres like 6 active "Circuit Breakers," the newest being a rookie this year from Washington.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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Unless Blender lied to me, its orthographic...

It's perspective, notice how you can see how the 3d ends of the field "pop out" and kind of extend outward. If it were orthographic, it would appear as 2d and flat.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
I agree. We found another team (older than us) that has the same name and even the same colours. But they weren't angry with us. Last year at Worlds, we met them, took a picture together and exchanged gear (shirts, etc.).

That's FIRST core values!
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It's perspective, notice how you can see how the 3d ends of the field "pop out" and kind of extend outward. If it were orthographic, it would appear as 2d and flat.
More specifically, you can see the inner faces alliance and portal walls. In orthographic, you'd just see the tops. Figures 3-2 and 3-3 in the game manual are orthographic.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

Not to derail this thread, but I did want to address a few things mentioned, and I'll hopefully take any further discussion by PM.

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I actually pointed this out to you a couple years ago! I also got a NASA poster from you guys for having the same team name in Houston this year.
I don't recall. I've had a busy past couple years. I am curious about this poster though. I don't recall us ever having any NASA posters to give out to anyone. Perhaps you have us confused with someone else? Or maybe our students did something that I am not aware of.
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I agree. We found another team (older than us) that has the same name and even the same colours. But they weren't angry with us.... That's FIRST core values!
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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
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More specifically, you can see the inner faces alliance and portal walls. In orthographic, you'd just see the tops.
This is accurate.
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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
For FRC, yes, it would be okay if you came up with it on your own and it's just coincidence. I don't know if you remember your rookie year but there is SO MUCH info to wrap your head around that checking to see if your name is original is probably not even close to being on your radar.

For the corporate world, you have to do a name search before you incorporate so there's known procedure. It usually involves lawyers.

Now if FIRST actually did a check on their end and said "hey guys, that's name's already taken", I'd be okay with that. Actually I'm surprised they don't do that.

Sorry to keep this off-topic but I think it's important to not attack a team on something like this, especially given the values of FIRST. It happened, we accept it. Move on.
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For FRC, yes, it would be okay if you came up with it on your own and it's just coincidence. I don't know if you remember your rookie year but there is SO MUCH info to wrap your head around that checking to see if your name is original is probably not even close to being on your radar.

For the corporate world, you have to do a name search before you incorporate so there's known procedure. It usually involves lawyers.

Now if FIRST actually did a check on their end and said "hey guys, that's name's already taken", I'd be okay with that. Actually I'm surprised they don't do that.

Sorry to keep this off-topic but I think it's important to not attack a team on something like this, especially given the values of FIRST. It happened, we accept it. Move on.
Not to mention there ARE companies with the same or very similar names. And names like Cheezy Poofs and Simbotics are rather unique, specific names so they are less likely to be copied anyway. But calling yourself Robo+your school mascot or a generic engineering term is not unique enough to expect no other school team to do the same.

And if someone does take your name (intentionally or not) it's on you to make your team stand out using team colors, graphics, unique robot design, etc.

But back onto the subject of this thread, thanks for this view of the field! +1
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