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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

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There are union rules and agreements that said the facility would handle moving robots and robot crates.

FIRST does not want teams carrying in their robots - it is quicker and safer if they are in their pit, in a crate, when teams arrive with their tools and carts.
We load in at least 600, if not more, pounds of materials to our district championship event, excluding our robot and its bumpers. We will do the same for the Detroit Postseason Expo.
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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

Often with rules the intent is obvious. Then there are the others rules that are not so much. What is the intent of the "Every Team Must ship to champs"? I can see maybe to reduce the gear a team loads in but really in many cases is there a savings? I know our team now has three carts that one is mostly empty with out the robot.
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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

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FIRST does not want teams carrying in their robots - it is quicker and safer if they are in their pit, in a crate, when teams arrive with their tools and carts.
To chime in hear, we have two road cases for our pit, each weighing in at ~1000 lbs each, and we don't have the heaviest pit out there (looking at you 973 )

The robot is less than 10% of our total pit mass.

Personally, I think one of the most unsafe part of Champs is all of the empty robot crates stuffed in all the pit aisles during Load-In on Wednesday. Very unsafe situations happening in nearly every pit as students attempt to move large wooden boxes around in tight spaces, whiles also working on their robot and setting up their pit structures. The pits would be much safer without all the robot crates strewn about.

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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

i am not arguing for or against - simply stating a few reasons why the rules might be there.
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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

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Yes but there has never been this large of a group of local teams. For most Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and even some NE teams it's more convenient for them to handle their own robot transport than have to spend time and money on a crate.

I get the reasoning behind "we've always done it this way". But its a huge waste of resources for what id estimate to be about 100 teams that would rather load in their robot themselves.
It's event more convenient for my team to carry it in than it is to ship it. I'm not saying it's the best system... but I'm saying I wouldn't take the risk without first talking to HQ about the plan to make sure it's allowed!
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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

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It's event more convenient for my team to carry it in than it is to ship it. I'm not saying it's the best system... but I'm saying I wouldn't take the risk without first talking to HQ about the plan to make sure it's allowed!
Jon, I'd be happy to provide you with the same service our team is using. I would recommend you contact team 2177 as they likely have a drayage location very close to where your robot currently is. If they deem it necessary, I'd be happy to purchase some some 4x4s for you to put under your bag so it can be moved with a fork truck.
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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

Mike,
The Killer Bees also think this is a great idea.
We have a drayage provider in our building, and we have a very light weight plastic "crate" already installed around our robot. If we attach said "crate" to a pallet, we should be good to go.
i think that many Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Ontario teams would likely benefit from this approach.
We would like to hear from those who want to be a part of this.
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Mike,

The Killer Bees also think this is a great idea.

We have a drayage provider in our building, and we have a very light weight plastic "crate" already installed around our robot. If we attach said "crate" to a pallet, we should be good to go.

i think that many Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Ontario teams would likely benefit from this approach.

We would like to hear from those who want to be a part of this.


Keep us posted on this as we get ready to spend hundreds of $ and many hours building a crate.


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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

Frank contacted me regarding this thread (Yes, HQ actually reads CD) and explained that the championship shipping policy is based on agreements with the union. They intend to work towards the bring your own bot approach for future years.

I want to point out that according to their 990, FIRST spent nearly $1 million with Shepard Exposition Services in 2016 (Not sure how their fiscal year is split up). I hope not all of this cost is drayage and robot shuffling. How much do you think FedEx spends shipping crates that teams don't even want shipped? As Mike said above the crates are a hassle and a hazard in the pits.

This crate size reduction was handled very poorly. I shipped a 66" tall crate. I hope it doesn't end up on a plane or a boat to Romulus, MI - otherwise it won't fit.

I would very much like the option to donate my FedEx voucher in the future so that a team that actually needs a tool crate coming from far away can use it and I can carry in my robot.

Because I do not want to impact my teamís ability to compete at the championship, my robot is being shipped to champs in a crate. I have agreed to not further encourage the BYOB method for this year (mostly because today's pretty much the last day to ship your robot). However I do have every intention of shipping an empty crate home from champs. If the unions feels the need to move the robot they're welcome to send someone to help pack our trailer. It seems ridiculous that it can take up to 2 months to get your crate back after champs.
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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

For shipping costs... consider the cost of moving all those fields around the country (and world!) for 7 weeks of events. I bet those costs add up pretty quickly. It's not like shipping a robot crate, which is loaded onto a truck with a bunch of other stuff - each field takes an entire truck to move it around, and rarely do fields get to sit in one place for more than a week during the season. Also consider shipping the KoP to every single team. FIRST has to move a lot of stuff around to a lot of different places throughout the season. While some of it is probably related to shipping robots to champs, I'd bet most of it goes towards their other shipping expenses.
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For shipping costs... consider the cost of moving all those fields around the country (and world!) for 7 weeks of events.
Minus all the districts (they own their own field perimeters, right?).

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each field takes an entire truck to move it around
Four trucks (or at least four PODs), I think.
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For shipping costs... consider the cost of moving all those fields around the country (and world!) for 7 weeks of events. I bet those costs add up pretty quickly. It's not like shipping a robot crate, which is loaded onto a truck with a bunch of other stuff - each field takes an entire truck to move it around, and rarely do fields get to sit in one place for more than a week during the season. Also consider shipping the KoP to every single team. FIRST has to move a lot of stuff around to a lot of different places throughout the season. While some of it is probably related to shipping robots to champs, I'd bet most of it goes towards their other shipping expenses.
I don't believe Shepard handles shipping of the fields.

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Four trucks (or at least four PODs), I think.
Regional fields are shipped in a single semi-trailer.
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Re: Shipping Logistics Services Presented by the Heroes of Tomorrow

Did anyone end up using this variation of a shipping service? If so, how did it work out for you? Any hassles at Championship?
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I don't know of anyone who did this at Houston but there was a team in our division that did not ship their robot with a crate (hand carried it in themselves) and the robot inspectors made them wait until the pits were open to unbag their robot, where other teams were allowed to unbag immediately.
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