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Unread 11-28-2018, 04:55 PM
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SRX / First Choice / CAW

After cruising through the First Choice offerings this season, it hit me that there are no SRXs available. We have never actually gotten any SRXs from First Choice, but we sure do use the CAW exemption every year.

Assuming similar rules in 2019 for CAW and assuming there aren't SRXs in the actual KOPs, we just took a $1440 hit to our CAW. This could significantly impact the robot we are able to put on the field this year. Swerve is tough on the CAW. We'll have to make some difficult choices.

Anybody else concerned?
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Re: SRX / First Choice / CAW

In 2018, the Q&A item was Q130 that had said the following:
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Any item that was ever listed on a Kit of Parts checklist or distributed via FIRST Choice is considered a KOP item, regardless of source of the specific part you are using on your ROBOT.

This chronological independence was both useful and a relief. Whether it will be the same in 2019, we don't yet know though. Sounds like a good Q&A question when the system opens.
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Re: SRX / First Choice / CAW

There's also the possibility that CTRE donated enough that they'll be in the real KoP this year.
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There's also the possibility that CTRE donated enough that they'll be in the real KoP this year.
It would make sense. Given that the Spark Max is essentially the same thing with some extra features and at a lower price, I don't see many Talon SRXes being sold for next season.
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It would make sense. Given that the Spark Max is essentially the same thing with some extra features and at a lower price, I don't see many Talon SRXes being sold for next season.
This is still the first season of the SPARK MAX though. A lot of people, including me, are skeptical of any new product until it has seen at least one season of competition and is thouroughly vetted and battle-tested. We are buying a few NEOs and MAXs for testing, but I know my team is also planning on buying about 25 SRX and SPXs this off-season in expectation of not using the NEO on this seasonís robot. Despite whatever gains it might provide, itís not worth risking our season on the unexpected behavior of an untested product.
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This is still the first season of the SPARK MAX though. A lot of people, including me, are skeptical of any new product until it has seen at least one season of competition and is thouroughly vetted and battle-tested. We are buying a few NEOs and MAXs for testing, but I know my team is also planning on buying about 25 SRX and SPXs this off-season in expectation of not using the NEO on this seasonís robot. Despite whatever gains it might provide, itís not worth risking our season on the unexpected behavior of an untested product.
Same here. Will enough maxes be available? Don't know. How compatible is it with talons? Don't know. How does it and the neo handle low batteries, extensive high loads, and long run times? Don't know.

The simple fact is that we just don't in now much about these components, and even pre-orders won't be arriving until later. Do a risk matrix and decide if this is something worth the risk for you.
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