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WOW Updates

As you have probably heard, there is a group of people working to propose the creation of a new WOW district that would include West Virginia, Ohio, and Western/Central Pennsylvania. This post is meant to be a quick introduction of the status of that effort, and we expect to follow it with regular updates as proposal development progresses. A few key highlights:

1. The slide deck that was presented at WOW Champs that outlines the proposal development plan is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation...it?usp=sharing

2. We have formed a proposal development committee, are working toward developing a WOW district proposal that will be delivered to FIRST HQ in November of this year.

3. Progress so far: we have secured a 501.c3 (RaiseSTEM!) to serve as the WOW district entity. The focus for July will be on finalizing the board and securing funding.

4. We have been in touch with people at FIRST HQ (Don Bossi, Frank Merrick, and Andrea Winegar). They are encouraging us to move forward and are giving constructive feedback. They are aware of our timeline, and have agreed to give our proposal due consideration.

5. The WOW proposal development team is committed to transparency, and toward that end we will have community update telecons in August and October. In addition, FIRST HQ will help organize town hall meetings this fall meant to get feedback on the WOW proposal from teams, volunteers, and sponsors.

6. You can sign up to help with WOW proposal development at the link below. There will be a lot of work to do, especially as we move into August and September: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/188f...it?usp=sharing
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As you have probably heard, there is a group of people working to propose the creation of a new WOW district that would include West Virginia, Ohio, and Western/Central Pennsylvania. This post is meant to be a quick introduction of the status of that effort, and we expect to follow it with regular updates as proposal development progresses. A few key highlights:

1. The slide deck that was presented at WOW Champs that outlines the proposal development plan is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation...it?usp=sharing
This slide deck is nicely fleshed out. You may have said it out loud at the presentation, but it may be worth noting on slide 7 that pre-qualified teams don't count against that allocation of FIRST Championship slots. WOW has three such teams for 2019, as 120 and 2614 are Hall of Fame teams and 4027 won Einstein.
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Re: WOW Updates

WOW, It looks like you are off to a good start!

One thing I don't see in the budget is start up capital investment in a least 1 field. While there are several different operating models in use all that I know of at least purchase one field. In the PNW we purchased everything except a generator which we rent as most schools don't have the infrastructure in their aux gym or commons area to support the power needs of ~40 teams. Other areas rent a lot of the production equipment, either just to get going or long term. When the math was done for the PNW it was found that renting things 4-8 or so times would pay for them depending on the item.

I'd suggest just 5 events based on 94 teams. That leaves 12 spaces for 3rd plays, in the PNW district even 5 years in we haven't had that many teams sign up for a 3rd play and it was less in the first year.

This saves money and allows for the qualifying events to be weeks 1-5 have week 6 off and a week 7 DCMP. With the $4000 DCMP fee you'll find a lot of teams that have never attended 2 events that have to scramble to come up with the needed funding. Many teams will also have to scramble to get all the paper work in order to be able to attend. There will be a lot of teams caught off guard in those respects the first season.

One less event also means less load on the volunteers. That means that you could likely get by with the key volunteers you have now many of which will likely be willing to bear a little more load to get the district off the ground. The other volunteers will likely come, some that didn't know they had it in them and others who have been wanting to get involved but didn't really know how to go about it.

I do think it is very important when you talk to the current sponsors to focus on the equity that giving all teams a "season" brings. Do not drag them into the weeds of cost per match, and the attendant charts and graphs, as that is more likely to turn them off rather than get them interested.

The message should focus on;

1. The district system gives every team the opportunity for the full engineering experience.

2. It builds a stronger community which gives the potential for greater networking opportunities to the students.

If you must bring up team costs just say that it gives every team 2 events for the same cost as they are now paying for 1.
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Re: WOW Updates

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WOW, It looks like you are off to a good start!

One thing I don't see in the budget is start up capital investment in a least 1 field. While there are several different operating models in use all that I know of at least purchase one field. In the PNW we purchased everything except a generator which we rent as most schools don't have the infrastructure in their aux gym or commons area to support the power needs of ~40 teams. Other areas rent a lot of the production equipment, either just to get going or long term. When the math was done for the PNW it was found that renting things 4-8 or so times would pay for them depending on the item.

I'd suggest just 5 events based on 94 teams. That leaves 12 spaces for 3rd plays, in the PNW district even 5 years in we haven't had that many teams sign up for a 3rd play and it was less in the first year.

This saves money and allows for the qualifying events to be weeks 1-5 have week 6 off and a week 7 DCMP. With the $4000 DCMP fee you'll find a lot of teams that have never attended 2 events that have to scramble to come up with the needed funding. Many teams will also have to scramble to get all the paper work in order to be able to attend. There will be a lot of teams caught off guard in those respects the first season.

One less event also means less load on the volunteers. That means that you could likely get by with the key volunteers you have now many of which will likely be willing to bear a little more load to get the district off the ground. The other volunteers will likely come, some that didn't know they had it in them and others who have been wanting to get involved but didn't really know how to go about it.

I do think it is very important when you talk to the current sponsors to focus on the equity that giving all teams a "season" brings. Do not drag them into the weeds of cost per match, and the attendant charts and graphs, as that is more likely to turn them off rather than get them interested.

The message should focus on;

1. The district system gives every team the opportunity for the full engineering experience.

2. It builds a stronger community which gives the potential for greater networking opportunities to the students.

If you must bring up team costs just say that it gives every team 2 events for the same cost as they are now paying for 1.
Thank you for the advice, we will be sure to include those comments in our next conference call.

We actually do have a field perimeter that was purchased for the area to use for current off-season events and eventual district competitions. In addition to the field, there is some AV equipment that was also purchased. So we are well on our way in those respects.
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I know it wasn't mentioned as a position in need on the slides, but if this goes through, I'll be more than happy to scorekeep at least one event. Or do whatever role I find myself doing at that point of my FIRST volunteering career.
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Very cool, I'm glad you folks are organized and have taken some big steps (such as the 501c3) to get this going.

Awesome to see people being proactive about districts rather than waiting for things to fall into their laps!

I also agree with the suggestion below which highlights how districts give teams a "full season." It might be a good idea to explain that teams will have the chance to iterate their designs, improve, and gain confidence through improvements.
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This is an excellent presentation. As someone whose teams have competed at Pittsburgh and/or Buckeye for as long as I can remember, I have been following the WOW developments as closely as I can. Although losing the ability to play in Ohio and PA (for now) would be bad for WNY teams, I applaud your efforts in organizing and hope that a potential WOW district could act as a catalyst to get the ball rolling in New York.

With that in mind, are you open to accepting help for the proposal from people who are from areas outside the WOW borders?

Also, on slide 3 there is a mention of a handout about the differences between the district and regional model. Is that handout available to view anywhere?
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I'd suggest just 5 events based on 94 teams. That leaves 12 spaces for 3rd plays, in the PNW district even 5 years in we haven't had that many teams sign up for a 3rd play and it was less in the first year.
They also have other districts surrounding them though, which is something that PNW does not have. Those teams could easily pop in and fill them right up, especially if they're looking for a fun "out of district" event with new teams.
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They also have other districts surrounding them though, which is something that PNW does not have. Those teams could easily pop in and fill them right up, especially if they're looking for a fun "out of district" event with new teams.
We continue to have a few Michigan and Indiana teams coming over to play at our Regionals. It is possible that going districts could see that number increase.
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They also have other districts surrounding them though, which is something that PNW does not have. Those teams could easily pop in and fill them right up, especially if they're looking for a fun "out of district" event with new teams.
Frankly who cares about out of district teams for the first season. In fact for a number of Districts the door was closed the first season and I think that was something either required or at least strongly suggested by HQ.

Trust me based on my experience helping to get the PNW district off the ground there is enough to worry about that you really really don't want to mess with having more than 40+ extra spaces. Plus it is much less burden on the teams to have qualifying events week 1-5 and a week 7 DCMP.

Note out of district teams don't get to register until unrestricted registration opens so in district teams won't have to worry about competing with out of district teams for their 1st and 2nd event.
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Frankly who cares about out of district teams for the first season. In fact for a number of Districts the door was closed the first season and I think that was something either required or at least strongly suggested by HQ.
Never heard of this before today. Good to know.

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Trust me based on my experience helping to get the PNW district off the ground there is enough to worry about that you really really don't want to mess with having more than 40+ extra spaces. Plus it is much less burden on the teams to have qualifying events week 1-5 and a week 7 DCMP.
I don't doubt your experience, only adding info i thought would be relevant based on my knowledge that wasn't hit anywhere else in the thread. I also wasnt suggesting any changes to the potential setups to the events, being on a team that had to deal a less than one week turnaround between qualifying and paying for DCMP I know how hard it can be, and wouldnt suggest changing that.
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I don't doubt your experience, only adding info i thought would be relevant based on my knowledge that wasn't hit anywhere else in the thread. I also wasnt suggesting any changes to the potential setups to the events, being on a team that had to deal a less than one week turnaround between qualifying and paying for DCMP I know how hard it can be, and wouldnt suggest changing that.
So you would have been there in the first season of the PNW district. That year we did 10 events with a planned 32-36 teams per event based on the area the pit was to be in and what we felt would work in each school. Due to scheduling and the desire to make every effort to ensure we got it right out of the gate, week 1 had only 1 event which meant that week 6 also had the single event. Then of course a week 7 DCMP. We were happy to say the problems were few as it was pretty much all hands on deck with 2, 3 or 4 people per key volunteer role.

However that scramble to get payment and get school approval meant a number of teams declined their DCMP spot. So we quickly switched to a 1-5, 7 season, at least until 2CMP and the mandate from HQ that all Houston Districts have week 6 DCMPs.
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So you would have been there in the first season of the PNW district.
...However that scramble to get payment and get school approval meant a number of teams declined their DCMP spot.
Oh trust me, I know very well. Qualifying last minute and paying $4k+hotel/transport on what was our spring break? We didnt have a chance.

Again, im not doubting your experience. I trust you to give very good advice/info, and I dont expect that to change. I was only trying to add what I thought was relevant info, not trying to misdirect by any means.
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40-team events will support the current roster with only 5 events. But that will not be true if 7 new teams register. This number is not impossible and to ignore the possibility would be a mistake. I suggest having a 6th event on deck for when it is needed. You could even run 6 events aimed for 32 teams so that the event infrastructure is already there for when growth comes.

The alternative would be to okay events going to 41 or 42 teams for a short period.
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Re: WOW Updates

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Originally Posted by ATannahill View Post
40-team events will support the current roster with only 5 events. But that will not be true if 7 new teams register. This number is not impossible and to ignore the possibility would be a mistake. I suggest having a 6th event on deck for when it is needed. You could even run 6 events aimed for 32 teams so that the event infrastructure is already there for when growth comes.

The alternative would be to okay events going to 41 or 42 teams for a short period.


As I mentioned before 5 events would be preferred because it allows for a week off before DCMP which lowers the likelihood that teams will have to decline their DCMP spot. Currently FIRST is the one that caps district events at 40 teams so exceeding that would require FIRST's approval.

Yes gaining 7 teams by the 2020 season definitely is a possiblity so it would be a good idea to find at least 6 locations that could host an event if not more so there are back ups in place or have options to rotate the locations in the future.
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