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Hello CD

I know there's been a bit of discussion about the pros and cons of streaming kickoff on Twitch this year. But I have a couple of questions.

1. Twitch is always highlighting community members/events on their front page. To my knowledge, no FRC event has ever made the front page. Does anyone know if Twitch plans on highlighting Kickoff? Wouldn't that be a good opportunity to introduce a huge audience to FIRST?


2. Streams on Twitch can be tracked by their number of viewers. To make the front page by default, it takes about 10,000 viewers. Think we can make it happen?

Hype levels are reaching critical levels...
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Re: Twitch Stream

Last year the FIRST World Championship was on the front page of twitch.

Libby Kamen knows a lot more about the ins and outs of twitch than I would bet most of the community does. Now I haven't read the other thread, but I bet she could share more about the pros and cons.
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Re: Twitch Stream

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Last year the FIRST World Championship was on the front page of twitch.

Libby Kamen knows a lot more about the ins and outs of twitch than I would bet most of the community does I haven't read the other thread but I bet she could share more about the pros and cons.
Alright, thanks
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Hello CD

I know there's been a bit of discussion about the pros and cons of streaming kickoff on Twitch this year. But I have a couple of questions.

1. Twitch is always highlighting community members/events on their front page. To my knowledge, no FRC event has ever made the front page. Does anyone know if Twitch plans on highlighting Kickoff? Wouldn't that be a good opportunity to introduce a huge audience to FIRST?


2. Streams on Twitch can be tracked by their number of viewers. To make the front page by default, it takes about 10,000 viewers. Think we can make it happen?

Hype levels are reaching critical levels...
I'm pretty sure that Einsteins made front page of Twitch during 2016 CMP, but I might be wrong. EDIT: Down below, Francis of RSN confirms what I thought I remembered.

In response to your second question, front-page streams can be manually pinned by Twitch Staff should they deem the cause good enough. One example in recent memory was Zeldathon on SuperMCGamer's page, holding front-page admist 10k+ streams with 4-7k viewers, as they were fundraising for St. Jude.

It's entirely possible FRC hits critical mass and gets to front-page, but we'll need some significant polish or a blessing from our OhMyDog overlords. Here's hoping that Twitch has FRC alum. (They do, see below for confirmation.)
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1. Twitch is always highlighting community members/events on their front page. To my knowledge, no FRC event has ever made the front page. Does anyone know if Twitch plans on highlighting Kickoff? Wouldn't that be a good opportunity to introduce a huge audience to FIRST?


2. Streams on Twitch can be tracked by their number of viewers. To make the front page by default, it takes about 10,000 viewers. Think we can make it happen?
I've been summoned!

Of note: FIRST was on the front page when GameSense was doing FIRSTChampLive. FIRST and Twitch are working together on bringing the audiences together, and Twitch is also working with the individual community shows (Robo Sports Network, FIRST Updates Now, etc).

They have been introduced & are well acquainted - it's some of why Kickoff has moved to Twitch! I'm sure the folks behind the shows can say more on their end, if they'd like. I'm just speaking from the level I know.

To your second point, I think what might do us in is that while each Kickoff location has hundreds or thousands of people, that's still only one Twitch 'view' - the computer it's being played from.

I would hope that FIRST is in the hopper for front-page for this weekend. It'd be great to bring more eyes!

In the same vein, though, I hope HQ is ready with moderation and anti-spam tools in chat. I'd hate for a big-name toxic streamer to go and bother our stream and make the Twitch chat a less than gracious place (as twitch-chat can sometimes be.)

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Re: Twitch Stream

Yes, FRC has been on the front page of Twitch. RSN and FIRST worked with Twitch last year to put the FIRSTChampLIVE broadcast especially divisional playoffs and Einstein on the front page. We also got it on the front page this year during Chezy Champs.

And Twitch has TONS of FRC alumni, including our man Zach who's been working with many folks getting Twitch more involved with FIRST.
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Re: Twitch Stream

Perhaps off topic, but does it seem like the countdown on the stream is counting down to 11AM Eastern (instead of 10 or 10:30)?

https://www.twitch.tv/firstinspires
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Perhaps off topic, but does it seem like the countdown on the stream is counting down to 11AM Eastern (instead of 10 or 10:30)?

https://www.twitch.tv/firstinspires
Just did some quick back-of-computer math, it checks out. Either they forgot daylights savings time, or they are counting down to manual code release, just to venture a guess.
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Just did some quick back-of-computer math, it checks out. Either they forgot daylights savings time, or they are counting down to manual code release, just to venture a guess.
It's also interesting because the seconds don't add up to 60 either.
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It's also interesting because the seconds don't add up to 60 either.
Twitch can have a 20-40 second delay depending on quality options and a number of other factors. Click the gear and open Debug to see more advanced frame stats.
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If only we had enough viewership to get custom emotes...

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I'm not using my clock, I'm using the current time and countdown times on the stream.
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A pro to Twitch is that I can reliably embed it on my team's website prior to the day of. We can send members directly to our website which they are familiar with and know that they will find their way.
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My only question: Will HYPERLUL be enabled?
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