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A Big Question??????

Posted by andre at 1/12/2001 3:45 PM EST


Student on team #49, Delphi Knights, from buena vista high and Delphi/Dow.



I'm back and I really need to know this. Are any of the other teams considering to lay the goals down horizontally rather than vertically. And if not why? Also if you throw out this whole way of thinking. Tell me. I need to know.

Go Knights #49


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Re: A Big Question??????

Posted by Peter Krumdieck at 1/12/2001 6:39 PM EST


Engineer on team #353, Pobots, from POB Central School District.


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Posted by andre on 1/12/2001 3:45 PM EST:



: I'm back and I really need to know this. Are any of the other teams considering to lay the goals down horizontally rather than vertically. And if not why? Also if you throw out this whole way of thinking. Tell me. I need to know.

: Go Knights #49

Andre:

We're thinking of it. But nothing firm. We suggest doing a couple of guestimates on how fast the 'bot will be. If it's fast enough. The (3x) multiplier for stopping in 30 seconds may offset some some of the points not made by adding big balls, etc.


I suggest making some kind of scoring matrix. Woodie Flowers has a slide in his power point set (on the sharing first site, I think)that did this for the robot design. Just extend the concept into the scoring possibilities.

Good luck!

-pete


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Re: A Big Question??????

Posted by Doyle Capps at 1/13/2001 8:52 AM EST


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I have created a program that calculates the score based on the number of balls in the goals, number of robots in the end zone, how much time is left, etc. If anyone wants a copy to look at quick calculations to help with strategy write to decapps@yahoo.com


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Re: A Big Question??????

Posted by Adrian Wong at 1/13/2001 1:00 PM EST


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Our team was planning to code a similar program that accepted user input and ran a countdown timer, constantly updating the current score and a projected score (for time bonuses, etc.).

However, we've decided to put this on hold until after Feb. 20. As a rookie team, we're kind of swamped trying to get started, so we're putting off non-critical things.

But I'd be interested in helping out. You can contact me at hopkaw@mediaone.net.



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Re: A Big Question??????

Posted by Trevor McCulloch at 1/13/2001 9:49 PM EST


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: Our team was planning to code a similar program that accepted user input
and ran a countdown timer, constantly updating the current score and a
projected score (for time bonuses, etc.).

Hi-
I'm actually working on a program that does the same thing visually. It's
written in java and it's nearly complete. I'll post it as soon as I am finished. If
you'd like to contact me about it, my email address is mccullocht@mac.com

Trevor
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Re: A Big Question??????

Posted by Rick Gibbs at 1/13/2001 6:58 AM EST


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Posted by andre on 1/12/2001 3:45 PM EST:



I think it's safe to say that we've ruled that one out. The goals ar ~27" wide flat-to-flat (ignoring the base). The bridge is 48" wide. Controlling a vertical goal will be challenging enough, much less laying down.

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Re: A Big Question??????

Posted by Ken Leung at 1/13/2001 2:02 PM EST


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: I'm back and I really need to know this. Are any of the other teams considering to lay the goals down horizontally rather than vertically. And if not why? Also if you throw out this whole way of thinking. Tell me. I need to know.

: Go Knights #49

I am almost sure that we are not considering controling the goal in its horizontal position, since it have an entire different set of variables to consider and control. We are aimming for a quick strategy where we can all hit the stop button at about 30 or 60 second in the game to get the multiplier, instead of attempting to flip the goal on its side and mess around with it. We might consider it if we have time after we are done with the robot designed around this strategy.

Any other teams are welcome to try this, but be careful! It is harder than you think.

I think FIRST changed this rule this late because they do not believe many teams will try to manipulate the goal horizontally, but rather to give a chance of scoring for robots who accidentally flip the goal on its side and have no way of picking it up.


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Re: A Big Question??????

Posted by Justin Stiltner at 1/15/2001 12:28 AM EST


Student on team #388, Epsilon, from Grundy High School and NASA, American Electric Power, Town of Grundy.


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Posted by Ken Leung on 1/13/2001 2:02 PM EST:



: : I'm back and I really need to know this. Are any of the other teams considering to lay the goals down horizontally rather than vertically. And if not why? Also if you throw out this whole way of thinking. Tell me. I need to know.

: : Go Knights #49

: I am almost sure that we are not considering controling the goal in its horizontal position, since it have an entire different set of variables to consider and control. We are aimming for a quick strategy where we can all hit the stop button at about 30 or 60 second in the game to get the multiplier, instead of attempting to flip the goal on its side and mess around with it. We might consider it if we have time after we are done with the robot designed around this strategy.

: Any other teams are welcome to try this, but be careful! It is harder than you think.

: I think FIRST changed this rule this late because they do not believe many teams will try to manipulate the goal horizontally, but rather to give a chance of scoring for robots who accidentally flip the goal on its side and have no way of picking it up.

After playing around with our goals some I dont think that I would evean consider it because you can only use them to support the balls if they are laying beside e/o and then you can only get 2 on them so i dont see the point in it,,,, oh and the ramp is 4 feet wide and each base for the goals is basically 3 feet which is aobut 2 feet more room than you have.

Justin Stiltner
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Epsilon
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