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#1
02-23-2017, 05:25 PM
 rebecca5113 i used to paint the bumpers :) FRC #5113 (Combustible Lemons) Team Role: Leadership Join Date: Jan 2015 Rookie Year: 2013 Location: Moorestown, NJ Posts: 3
Bumper Number Rules

The bumper rules state that the numbers must be white or outlined in white. Does the color inside have to be a solid color or can it be a gradient of two colors?
#2
02-23-2017, 05:32 PM
 ollien Registered User FRC #5202 Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Feb 2015 Rookie Year: 2015 Location: United States Posts: 573
Re: Bumper Number Rules

As long as it is outlined in white, and unambiguously your team number, you're fine. For instance, I probably wouldn't gradient red on your red bumper
#3
02-23-2017, 05:33 PM
 rich2202 Registered User FRC #2202 (BEAST Robotics) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Jan 2012 Rookie Year: 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,498
Re: Bumper Number Rules

R26 says Red or Blue Bumpers
R27 allows white numbers, or numbers outlined in white. The implication being, an outline of what is underneath, which is either Red or Blue.
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02-23-2017, 05:39 PM
 Jon Stratis Mentor, LRI, MN RPC FRC #2177 (The Robettes) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Feb 2007 Rookie Year: 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,169
Re: Bumper Number Rules

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 Originally Posted by rich2202 R26 says Red or Blue Bumpers R27 allows white numbers, or numbers outlined in white. The implication being, an outline of what is underneath, which is either Red or Blue.
That is not a valid implication, nor does your implication match what is stated in the rules. "be either white in color or outlined in white". Please, explain how black numbers (or green, or tied-dyed!) that are outlined in white don't meet this rule.
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#5
02-23-2017, 05:39 PM
 jee7s Texan FIRSTer, ex-frc2789, ex-frc41 AKA: Jeffrey Erickson FRC #6357 Join Date: Nov 2007 Rookie Year: 1997 Location: Dripping Springs, TX Posts: 342
Re: Bumper Number Rules

Quote:
 Originally Posted by rich2202 R26 says Red or Blue Bumpers R27 allows white numbers, or numbers outlined in white. The implication being, an outline of what is underneath, which is either Red or Blue.
That implication is not in the rules. There are several teams I am aware of, most notably 118, who outline a color other than red or blue with white and pass inspection regularly. In 118's case, their numbers are gold and have been gold since as long as I've been in Texas.
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#6
02-23-2017, 07:35 PM
 Chief Hedgehog Mentor FRC #4607 (C.I.S.) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: May 2013 Rookie Year: 2012 Location: Becker, Minnesota Posts: 888
Re: Bumper Number Rules

Stinking number bumper rules...
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#7
02-23-2017, 09:09 PM
 emeraldstorm CAD/Build Mentor AKA: Quaid Trudell FRC #5203 (Blue Typhoon) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Mar 2016 Rookie Year: 2015 Location: Sanford, MI Posts: 103
Re: Bumper Number Rules

Outlined in white, 0.5" thick, is as far as I've ever heard it. 27, 67, 33, and 118 are great examples that repeat yearly.
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#8
02-23-2017, 09:52 PM
 IndySam Registered User FRC #0829 (Digital Goats) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Nov 2005 Rookie Year: 2004 Location: Indy Posts: 3,627
Re: Bumper Number Rules

I know the rules allow for some creativity but please be kind on us GAs and keep them simple
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#9
02-24-2017, 05:20 AM
 Rick Ready to STRIKE! AKA: Rick Blight FRC #0078 (AIR STRIKE) Team Role: Coach Join Date: Jan 2002 Rookie Year: 2001 Location: Portsmouth, RI, USA Posts: 682
Re: Bumper Number Rules

We are going white outline for the first time:

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#10
02-24-2017, 05:28 AM
 rich2202 Registered User FRC #2202 (BEAST Robotics) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Jan 2012 Rookie Year: 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,498
Re: Bumper Number Rules

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Jon Stratis That is not a valid implication, nor does your implication match what is stated in the rules. "be either white in color or outlined in white". Please, explain how black numbers (or green, or tied-dyed!) that are outlined in white don't meet this rule.
I stand corrected. I failed to avoid reading more into the rule than was written.
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#11
02-24-2017, 06:41 AM
 TedG CAD, Design & Graphics Support AKA: Team supporter and enthusiast FRC #0133 (BERT 133) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Jan 2011 Rookie Year: 2009 Location: Standish, Maine Posts: 190
Re: Bumper Number Rules

Quote:
 Originally Posted by rich2202 I stand corrected. I failed to avoid reading more into the rule than was written.
You didn't fail to avoid reading more into the rule.. you succeeded in avoiding it.
(lol)

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#12
02-24-2017, 08:34 AM
 Al Skierkiewicz Chief Robot Inspector AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005 FRC #0111 (WildStang) Team Role: Engineer Join Date: Jun 2001 Rookie Year: 1996 Location: Wheeling, IL Posts: 11,136
Re: Bumper Number Rules

My question to teams who are trying to design a compliant numbering is this:
You really want to be playing on Saturday afternoon, don't you?
If the strategy people in the stands can't read your team number when you play, you might not get on their lists.
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#13
02-24-2017, 04:03 PM
 emeraldstorm CAD/Build Mentor AKA: Quaid Trudell FRC #5203 (Blue Typhoon) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Mar 2016 Rookie Year: 2015 Location: Sanford, MI Posts: 103
Re: Bumper Number Rules

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz My question to teams who are trying to design a compliant numbering is this: You really want to be playing on Saturday afternoon, don't you? If the strategy people in the stands can't read your team number when you play, you might not get on their lists.
Exactly. Color your numbers as long as they stay within parameters, but make sure they're readable.

Exhibit A, bumpers I made in 6 hours:

They may be plenty white and large, but with such little spacing between lines, it's incredibly difficult to read from the stands as I learned.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Rick We are going white outline for the first time.
Those look incredible, nice work.
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#14
02-24-2017, 04:41 PM
 SenorZ Physics Teacher AKA: Tom Zook FRC #4276 (Surf City Vikings) Team Role: Teacher Join Date: Jan 2011 Rookie Year: 2011 Location: Huntington Beach, California Posts: 1,413
Re: Bumper Number Rules

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Chief Hedgehog Stinking number bumper rules...
Pure tyranny!
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#15
03-06-2017, 04:35 PM
 jerbs Registered User FRC #4694 (Atomic Armadillos) Team Role: Coach Join Date: Sep 2016 Rookie Year: 2013 Location: Amarillo Posts: 3
Re: Bumper Number Rules

I'm always amazed by how terrible bumper numbers look at the competition, and how many teams are stapling paper, painting, taping and generally throwing together bumpers out of trash at competition. Maybe it's my design background, but I take pride in robust, well-designed bumpers, even if they are wrapped around an embarrassing shamble of a robot!

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