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[YMTC]: Is ramming okay?

While watching the final matches at a regional last weekend I saw one robot repeatedly ramming their opponents. Not just bumping & pushing, but backing up to get the maximum acceleration distance, then slamming into the opponent at full speed, over and over again.

This strategy paid off. Not only did the ram-bot's alliance win the match, they won the regional because the damaged robot could not be repaired in time for the final match.

I know we should design our robots to withstand aggressive game play, but at what point does FRC become Battlebots?
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Re: [YMTC]: Is ramming okay?

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Not only did the ram-bot's alliance win the match, they won the regional because the damaged robot could not be repaired in time for the final match.
Sounds like it should have been a red card to me.

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Re: [YMTC]: Is ramming okay?

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Sounds like it should have been a red card to me.
I think we need to see a video before passing judgement, although I don't support "witch-hunting," it might be more clear if we saw the video
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Re: [YMTC]: Is ramming okay?

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I think we need to see a video before passing judgement, although I don't support "witch-hunting," it might be more clear if we saw the video
Yeah... that's why I didn't post the video link. I don't want to target a particular team, just determine what is acceptable game play. The refs must have thought the ramming was okay, so we should expect it at our next regional.
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Re: [YMTC]: Is ramming okay?

This reminds me of 2014, when the field facilitated much faster movement. Damage due to ramming was pretty common, and our team personally got rammed at MSC hard enough to dent our KOP chassis in a full 2 or 3 inches. This was an accidental ram due to some programming error on the other team's bot. They got disabled for the rest of the match, which I believe is the correct response for accidental robot damage. (unsure of the rule's take on this).


That being said, I think like with every rule in FRC, it really should come down to intent. Most people can agree the behavior you are describing is not desired and should have been a G10 red card.
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Re: [YMTC]: Is ramming okay?

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While watching the final matches at a regional last weekend I saw one robot repeatedly ramming their opponents. Not just bumping & pushing, but backing up to get the maximum acceleration distance, then slamming into the opponent at full speed, over and over again.

This strategy paid off. Not only did the ram-bot's alliance win the match, they won the regional because the damaged robot could not be repaired in time for the final match.

I know we should design our robots to withstand aggressive game play, but at what point does FRC become Battlebots?
It really depends on why they were doing it, or at least appeared to be doing it. Ramming a robot to make it drop cubes or throw off its aim is fine. Ramming to tip a robot over or cause any sort of damage is not fine. I don't think anyone can make a judgement call on this without seeing the match video.
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Re: [YMTC]: Is ramming okay?

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While watching the final matches at a regional last weekend I saw one robot repeatedly ramming their opponents. Not just bumping & pushing, but backing up to get the maximum acceleration distance, then slamming into the opponent at full speed, over and over again.

This strategy paid off. Not only did the ram-bot's alliance win the match, they won the regional because the damaged robot could not be repaired in time for the final match.

I know we should design our robots to withstand aggressive game play, but at what point does FRC become Battlebots?
Ramming is not against the rules. Defense is not against the rules
Damaging other robots is against the rules.

if the contact is bumper to bumper only and is not forcing 'exposed items' (manipulators) to excessive contact (with the ramming bot of field elements) then it is legal and the bot being rammed should have been more robust. If not then the ramming bot should have received a red card.

The term FIRST used to use was 'vigorous' interaction.
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