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FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

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FIRST's most recent Email Blast reveals they have decided to increase the base team entrance fee to $6000 and the Championship fee to $5000. Additional regional fees remain the same at $4000. They have also taken several steps to help cushion the financial blow these increases will have on everyone (see the link above for details). They haven't raised rates since 2000, so I think it's justified for them to ask for more money, especially if it leads to an improvement in the quality of the overall FIRST experience. Hopefully, they will use the money to address many of the issues and problems expressed by FIRST'ers on these forums.
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

Our mentor checked his email and emitted a most amusing yelp!

But we're all feeling the pressure, considering we only eked by this year

We're going to need $11,000
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

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Our mentor checked his email and emitted a most amusing yelp!

But we're all feeling the pressure, considering we only eked by this year

We're going to need $11,000
im not a mentor, but i did the same... our team lost our NASA grant this year, since next year is our 4th year... If we dont find $6000 pretty soon, we may not even be able to compete in our innagural home regional next year... It's really though to find willing sponsors here in Las Vegas... good luck to all teams fronting the new price for competition!
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

Time to get out and fundraise some more. Our team had some problems this year with making costs due to late funding, hopefully we will be able to secure enought money. I was planning on spending a bit more money this year to go to a second regional and hopefully the Championships, hopefully $2000 wont be too big of an impact.
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

Honestly, this increase is way overdue. Especially with how last year's financials worked out.

But fear not. $2000 extra is only 2 $1000 donations, 4 $500, 8 $250, 20 $100, 40 $50, or 80 $20 donations. With 13 weeks from now until September, you have 6.5 weeks to get both $1000 donations, 3.25 weeks for the $500 ones, and 1.625 weeks for the $250 donations.

If you can build an entire robot in 6 weeks from start to finish, a $1000 donation should be no sweat. So, hop to it!

PS. $2000 = 40,000 returned cans. I suggest hitting up some companies.
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

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PS. $2000 = 40,000 returned cans. I suggest hitting up some companies.
Hmm.. maybe a road trip to NH to get their unused returnables is in order...
I think I may already be taking a side trip up to NH during Battlecry, maybe I'll rent a U-Haul and rummage everybody's recycle bins up there.

There is no $0.05 deposit in NH, so getting these unused cans and bottles from residents will be rather simple..
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1. it's illegal
2. MI has 10 cents.
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

i am not saying that i like the increase in cost but after reading their e-mail i think that it will help in the long run. I would also like to commend FIRST for telling this information so far in advance that it gives teams more of and oppertunity to rase the additional funds if needed. The question i do have is how much the cost of the wrap dinner and hotels will go down because of this. FIRST sounded like they were straining with 90 a person maybe they will drop it to 85....i doubt we will see a sugnifigant decrees but on the same note $5 over a team with 50 people can go a long way.....
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

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1. it's illegal
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What's illegal?? Was that in reference to my post about going "canning"?
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What's illegal?? Was that in reference to my post about going "canning"?
Yes it is illegal to move cans from one state to another to gain a profit from the return of the recycle rate. Also our team does bottle and can drives a few times a year and make a large profit from it. i would suggest you to contact distributers around your area and skip the middle man (the grocery store) for returning the bottles and cans and you will make a larger profit.
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

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Honestly, this increase is way overdue. Especially with how last year's financials worked out.

But fear not. $2000 extra is only 2 $1000 donations, 4 $500, 8 $250, 20 $100, 40 $50, or 80 $20 donations. With 13 weeks from now until September, you have 6.5 weeks to get both $1000 donations, 3.25 weeks for the $500 ones, and 1.625 weeks for the $250 donations.

If you can build an entire robot in 6 weeks from start to finish, a $1000 donation should be no sweat. So, hop to it!

PS. $2000 = 40,000 returned cans. I suggest hitting up some companies.
May be easy for some teams, but this strikes me as quite and problem for ours. Some teams have the resources that 2000 isn't much, but teams like us have a difficult time raising 6000+ just to cover both our entry fee, and the costs to build the robot. Now we'll have to end up looking for a lot more money that really isn't that available. I'm very interested in why they actually increased the fee. Do they every have a cost breakdown of the entry fee?

--I realize they tried to explain it in the e-mail, but do they ever have a dollar for dollar cost breakdown?

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May be easy for some teams, but this strikes me as quite and problem for ours. Some teams have the resources that 2000 isn't much, but teams like us have a difficult time raising 6000+ just to cover both our entry fee, and the costs to build the robot. Now we'll have to end up looking for a lot more money that really isn't that available. I'm very interested in why they actually increased the fee. Do they every have a cost breakdown of the entry fee?
Look here for the breakdown of last year's annual report. FIRST isn't Amazon....it can't run at a loss forever. Especially since it's a non-profit: donations are easier to pull off for a NP with good financials, since it shows that the organization is responsible and is using the money well.

As for fundraising troubles, PM me and I'd be happy to give you a hand
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

If you thought I was meaning that bitter or harsh to you...don't. I just used your post because I thought the just 2 thousand dollar donations was funny.
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Re: FIRST Competition Entry Fee Increases for 2005

If you look hard enough, you will find the money. For months my team moaned that there was no money to be had, that everyone had nothing to give, etc, etc.

Fact of the matter is, when our team actually tried to raise money, we did. In a period of 3 weeks to 1 month, we raised over 13,000 dollars.

There is money out there. Sure, it isn't as much as say 4-5 years ago before the recession of our economy, but it is there. It's all a matter of how hard you look.

I do not care where you live. I do not care how many people you have on your team, if the parents are rich, or poor. None of that matters. If you try, and I mean actually *try*, not make halfhearted attempts to raise money, I guarentee you can find the extra money needed.

To get back on topic, I think this is a good thing. The value of everything we get in the KOP, plus a regional event is worth far more than $5,000. Paying another $1000 isn't fun, but as Jessica said, FIRST cannot always run on a loss. Even though it may not seem like it, the extra $1000 fee is benefitting everyone in the end.

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Though I am no longer on a FIRST team and help as many as I can as a mentor, I do feel for the teams that do struggle with funding.

First off A team that has 2 second place wins and 2 first place wins consecutively has a very hard time in finding sponsorship. the said team also has a hard time finding sponsorship even though they are widely known in that specific area.

Second off for the teams that can find sponsorship yet do fair next to poorly at a competition is unfair. ( not to knock the teams that do in fact try but get hit with a bad luck )

This all comes down to how much a company is willing to put in. Not how much a team can raise. Yes economy stinks right about now and there really isn't anything we can do. FIRST maybe a non-profit organization but they too need some sort of funding to pay rent and other items. Question is, is it right to get that extra cash from the teams or try looking for more sponosors to get in on this. Getting sponsorship for a team is difficult, If sponsors found out they had to put more into a successful / not so successful team they could in fact turn the team down and dropping the amount of teams participating.

I'm all for an increase but 2000$ is alot esp when its hard to just find 500$. If first upped the price an additional $500 bux it would be much more reasonable to find and pay. $2000 / $1000 is a bit much! An average team goes through about $20000 a year.

15 grand goes to registration, 1 regional and a championship (if ure not part of any of their new Tier divisions or other special invites) $5000+ goes to travel / hotel and meal accomodations. all together equals a hefty bill. not to mention the equipment and supplies they need for the robot.

Gas is up to almost 2.50 $ in NY and will probably shoot on up further. Taxi Fares have shot on up to nearly the same rate ($2.50 base fare). MTA (NYCTA, TBTA, SIRTOA, MaBSTOA, LIRR, MNR, etc.......) Fares have increased in each of its smaller divisions. One city to have many difficulties in finding sponsorship is NYC. Many companies would sponsor but these companies are hard to reach.

CeBit Convention happened over the past 5 days. Big Name companies were there NEC IOMEGA etc...... NYC FIRST! had a mock layout with 5 - 6 teams participating playing the 2004 game. Over 10000 people were there at most maybe 300 people stopped and had a quick glance and at most half of those came over asked the teams questions on various topics. Im sure these teams asked for a sponsorship opp. Another question would be will the companies that stopped by and watched the matches and asked questions what are the chances of them sponsoring one of the 6 that were there????

FIRST could have raised the price in different ways why was initial registration one of those ways?

Anyone who thinks i'm looking at this the wrong way plz show me the happy ending cuz its not that clear to me =o(

Pro for Price Raising CON for the Timing in which FIRST did this.

Registration $6000
Nationals $5000
Regionals $4000
Off Season Event Registration and Traveling at least $1400
Robot Building Materials and Extra Accessories + Tools At Least $1500 +
Traveling to said Regional / National at least $3000 estimated each more or less!

Add it up and its almost $20000 if not over.
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