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When the Carolinas split in the early 1700's, I didn't realize those rascals from the north were just trying to get their own FRC district... darn.

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Not to detract from the very important topics being discussed in this thread, but can anyone from CA comment on if this is actually a logical split for CA? Based on my quick look at population maps, county lines, and commuting regions, the proposed lines look a bit silly. Like why would you put Orange county in a seperate state from Los Angeles?

It seems to me that Mr. Draper might have been trying way too hard to get precisely equal populations in each new "state" and didn't care as much about regional identities. Just another hot take from someone with minimal stake in this.
One thing I notice about the proposed lines is Los Angeles would be in a different state than its water supply. That's probably a bad idea.


I think it is also worth noting the average cost to get an initiative on the ballot in CA is $6.20 per signature. So it took ~$3.5 million to get this on the ballot where it is polling 17% for and 72% against. $3.5 million is around the budget of all the CA FRC teams combined.
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One thing I notice about the proposed lines is Los Angeles would be in a different state than its water supply. That's probably a bad idea.


I think it is also worth noting the average cost to get an initiative on the ballot in CA is $6.20 per signature. So it took ~$3.5 million to get this on the ballot where it is polling 17% for and 72% against. $3.5 million is around the budget of all the CA FRC teams combined.
So people were right, Districts are more expensive.
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I don't live in CA, but I still have a stake. Four more senators (and four more electoral college votes) from the soviet socialist republics of california can seriously screw up my personal economy.
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One thing I notice about the proposed lines is Los Angeles would be in a different state than its water supply. That's probably a bad idea.
Aren't a sizable amount of southern California's water supply from a different state? There's precedent for this, so while it will be a resource allocation issue, California is used to it.
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Re: CA Districts?

Whatever happened to "Jefferson", to notional 51st state that would have broken CA up into two?

I can imagine a few interesting things happening with the proposed break-up:

- I-15 becomes a toll road through Southern Cal between New CA and Vegas, to help generate state revenue
- Southern Cal inherits mostly desert, retaining only 1 major metro area of San Diego (Bakersfield doesn't count). At least they get to keep Death Valley
- New Cal gives up all mainland national parks (not sure which side Pinnacles is on)
- New tourist attraction opens called "3 Corners". It's a huge ripoff to get in, and they sell tacky souvenirs
- Californians from way north are still upset they need to be associated with the Bay Area
- Southern California retains the Salton Sea, starting a reputation as country's smelliest state. Luckily it retains cheap summer golf rates.
- In-n-Out finally gets the chance to brag that it's spreading out its restaurants to double the number of states of its current count
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I believe it's called South North California now.
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Aren't a sizable amount of southern California's water supply from a different state?
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About 50% of Los Angeles's water comes from the Colorado River. The water is sourced from the part of the river that creates the border between CA and AZ. The allocation from the Colorado River is assigned to the State of California after a series of court cases of AZ suing CA. If CA was broken up the allocation would likely go to the state touching the Colorado River.

A third of Los Angeles's water comes from a couple of aqueducts running from the Central Valley. The Central Valley and Los Angeles have been fighting over water for over 100 years now. Inyo County launched a bunch of eminent domain proceedings last year to try to get back a bunch of water rights.

The rest is ground water and desalination plants.
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About 50% of Los Angeles's water comes from the Colorado River. The water is sourced from the part of the river that creates the border between CA and AZ. The allocation from the Colorado River is assigned to the State of California after a series of court cases of AZ suing CA. If CA was broken up the allocation would likely go to the state touching the Colorado River.

A third of Los Angeles's water comes from a couple of aqueducts running from the Central Valley. The Central Valley and Los Angeles have been fighting over water for over 100 years now. Inyo County launched a bunch of eminent domain proceedings last year to try to get back a bunch of water rights.

The rest is ground water and desalination plants.
There at least used to be another aqueduct running down along the 395 from above Mammoth. Folks got mad when Mono Lake got so low that land animals could get across to seagull rookeries, though...


If CA did split, I'm not entirely sure FRC in CA wouldn't die out for a couple of years. Too much other stuff to deal with for the adults, kids get the leavings...
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Not to detract from the very important topics being discussed in this thread, but can anyone from CA comment on if this is actually a logical split for CA?


I haven't looked too much at this specific proposal in too much dept given that even if it passes, congress has to approve it. And that's if it is even put up to a vote, assuming it isn't deemed unconstitutional any time between now and November (more on this later if anyone actually wants to engage in a technical political discussion about constitutional conventions and amendments). However, I can speak to some previous proposals. Generally what has been happening is people in Silicon Valley, the Bay Area, and Los Angeles (plus some other suburbs) want to isolate themselves from the poorer counties.

For those not super familiar with California geography, it works a lot like the USA. The coast is more liberal and also more wealthy. Inland is more rural, conservative, and less wealthy. (This is an oversimplification of the geography, don't @ me). So the idea with these proposals is to separate those two different groups. This specific proposal seems to do this less than most.

To make a short story long, these boundaries, in my opinion, do not make sense for any other applications. BUT! I tried to prove my point, and of the nine regionals in California in 2018, there were three in each of the proposed states:
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- Southern Cal inherits mostly desert, retaining only 1 major metro area of San Diego (Bakersfield doesn't count). At least they get to keep Death Valley
Woah man, you're forgetting the thriving urban metropolis of Madera, CA.
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Not to detract from the very important topics being discussed in this thread, but can anyone from CA comment on if this is actually a logical split for CA? Based on my quick look at population maps, county lines, and commuting regions, the proposed lines look a bit silly. Like why would you put Orange county in a seperate state from Los Angeles?

It seems to me that Mr. Draper might have been trying way too hard to get precisely equal populations in each new "state" and didn't care as much about regional identities. Just another hot take from someone with minimal stake in this.
Hi! Californian here!

Yes, this would actually be fairly logical. The Orange County - San Diego - Los Angeles split is gonna be pretty awkward no matter how you cut the cake - it's pretty much continuous urban sprawl the whole way (except Camp Pendelton, which is entirely in San Diego County).

What is interesting about this is that it separates blue California into three states: the extremely blue north, the very blue middle, and the purple south. San Diego and Orange are two of the redder of the large metropolitan areas, and turnout from the largely red smaller counties could make things interesting.
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Generally what has been happening is people in Silicon Valley, the Bay Area, and Los Angeles (plus some other suburbs) want to isolate themselves from the poorer counties.
No.

The funding to put it on the ballot comes from one uber-rich coastal libertarian chasing his white whale. The same one who came up with 6 Californias.

The initiative polls at 17% in favor. Of that 17%, the demographics do not support your assertion. Go read the link below, I'm not going go into detail here.

Poll link: http://www.surveyusa.com/client/Poll...d-09bc68bbdc74
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