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China Update: China 2019 Canceled

Unfortunate update about official FIRST events in China.

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In September, to create greater equity among students, the Chinese Ministry of Education (MOE) introduced new requirements for organizations wishing to host student competitions. FIRST Robotics Competition, like all FIRST programs, is international and we are committed to meeting all local requirements necessary to make our programs broadly available.

FIRST HQ has been working with local FIRST staff to understand the new law and find the best path forward for the 2019 season. Meeting the new requirements set forth by the MOE will require us to develop new relationships with approved partners in China. The timing of the requirements is such that we won’t be able to meet them for the 2019 season. As we are determined to meet these requirements in the long term and give as much notice as possible to our community about significant changes to the upcoming season, we are canceling the three Regionals we had planned for China in 2019. This will give us the time we need to develop the necessary relationships and put forth a solid application to hold events in China for the 2020 season and beyond.

We are working now to find alternative competition locations to teams currently registered to compete in China. All teams registered for all three Chinese Regionals (including those from outside China) are being contacted now.

We are working to have an off-season event in China and are looking forward to submitting a successful application to hold official FIRST Robotics Competition events in China in 2020.

If you have any questions about this, you can contact FIRST Team Support by emailing firstroboticscompetition@firstinspires.org or calling 800-871-8326.



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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

This is a big deal - there were ~150 teams in China gearing up for the 2019 season. Does anyone know the requirements / text of the new law that FIRST has to comply with?
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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

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This is a big deal - there were ~150 teams in China gearing up for the 2019 season. Does anyone know the requirements / text of the new law that FIRST has to comply with?
This news article gets into it without needing to reading Chinese and is a good place to start on the matter.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/20180...c775e7845.html

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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

Wow. This is huge, and shocking.

So many people have spent much time and resources to boost up FIRST in China. The Chinese teams and organizers are very attracted to FRC due to the ethics and culture which FIRST provides.

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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

I am assuming this also affects the other 3 aspects of FIRST. This would reduce the FLL teams that come to world.
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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

I would say that link raises as many questions and doesn't answer any.

Short version: NO.
Long version : The Chinese government wants total control over everything it's people see and do.
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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

Hearing this news earlier was very disappointing.
All of those Chinese teams will now be looking at other event options.

We plan to host workshops days for the Chinese teams that now will be attending the Hawaii regional as a result.
Hopefully other regional directors can look at the teams that will now sign up as a result of the news, and assist any way they can.

Looking forward to seeing 3 or more regionals in 2020 in China.
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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

Thanks for the link Howard C. It sounds like the Chinese Ministry of Education wants to license school competitions to avoid scams and discrimination, which seems innocuous enough. I'm sure there's a huge reporting burden, but otherwise FIRST should have no problem qualifying. That is, unless the stated purpose of the law, and the actual purpose of the law are different things. You can never tell these days (from any government).
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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

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This news article gets into it without needed to reading Chinese and is a good place to start on the matter.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/20180...c775e7845.html
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I would say that link raises as many questions and doesn't answer any.

Short version: NO.
Long version : The Chinese government wants total control over everything it's people see and do.
I actually read a bit more into it than the long version... without denying that aspects of the long version are certainly there.

It would seem that the root problem has more to do with a competitive desire to enroll in the 'best' school... parents are seeking ways to demonstrate that their kids are the 'best', while schools are seeking ways to show that they are the 'best'. There are likely many competitions that have evolved to provide these opportunities, and it would seem that not only are they detracting from studies rather than enhancing them, but that some of them may be placing profit ahead of an excellent experience for the students.

I'm sure FIRST has simply been swept up in a much larger clean-up and control process and will be back on track once the appropriate clearances have been obtained.

I'm not an expert on the topic by any means... I'm merely interpreting one news article and one announcement based in the context of having had some experience teaching and working with international students.

In the interim, we do have space at the Canadian Pacific Regional, and would be delighted to have more international representation.

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Re: China Update: China 2019 Canceled

I do not want to veer too much off-topic, but would this not also affect RECF events in China?
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I do not want to veer too much off-topic, but would this not also affect RECF events in China?
It seems at least part of it is that teams cannot be charged for competing, so if a qualifying event (be it VRC, VEX IQ, FRC, or FLL) can run without directly charging teams, there will be no issue with it.
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It seems at least part of it is that teams cannot be charged for competing, so if a qualifying event (be it VRC, VEX IQ, FRC, or FLL) can run without directly charging teams, there will be no issue with it.
I interpreted this as any portion of events, from Home regionals in China, to events outside, to even Worlds, had to be free for teams within China.

Theoretically, they could hit up 2-4 regional's (depending on travel) and do worlds without any payment to FIRST, assuming this interpretation is correct.
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I interpreted this as any portion of events, from Home regionals in China, to events outside, to even Worlds, had to be free for teams within China.

Theoretically, they could hit up 2-4 regional's (depending on travel) and do worlds without any payment to FIRST, assuming this interpretation is correct.
I think they'd have a hard time enforcing the limits on events outside of China, but this is all brand new news to me so I'm sure there's much more to be understood about this process.

That said, some districts have established finance processes that don't end in "send a check to New Hampshire". Of all the roadblocks that could stop FIRST's growth in China (and I don't doubt there are several), I am confident that the registration fee element is not one of them.
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