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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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I don't recall. I've had a busy past couple years. I am curious about this poster though. I don't recall us ever having any NASA posters to give out to anyone. Perhaps you have us confused with someone else? Or maybe our students did something that I am not aware of.
Ill see if i can find it in the shop this afternoon.

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It's perspective, notice how you can see how the 3d ends of the field "pop out" and kind of extend outward. If it were orthographic, it would appear as 2d and flat.
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More specifically, you can see the inner faces alliance and portal walls. In orthographic, you'd just see the tops. Figures 3-2 and 3-3 in the game manual are orthographic.
Looked this morning, my view was orthographic but the render camera's was in persepctive. This is a perspective image of the field
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In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique.
Back in 2014, our team didnt know that TBA existed. It wasnt something that ever came up. In our minds, if it was an issue TIMS would of yelled at our mentor for being a name "already taken" or something. Heck, it hasnt stopped a team from naming themselves the "Circuit Breakers" this year. Its not like this is the only instance either. Theres 3 teams using "Robostangs," 4 "Full Metal Jackets" (one even before 1296) and a ton of teams using "Dragons" or a slightly altered version of it. Its not like we're trying to steal your image or something.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
Large corporations are obviously protected by trademark laws. The importance of their name extends just beyond marketing and brand recognition, it also serves as consumer protection. For instance, I know I have a lifetime warranty on Craftsman tools, which wouldn't be present from a knockoff Craftsman. It serves the public's interest to protect these trademarks to avoid counterfeits.

Within FRC, there are not the same considerations. While a unique brand may help a team, simply naming your team first does not give you exclusivity over the name. You can grant yourself a decent bit of brand protection by picking a unique or highly uncommon name, such as "Simbotics" (which draws from Governor Simcoe Secondary School), which would be highly unlikely to be replicated by another team elsewhere. Using a generic term frequently associated with robotics and electrical engineering such as "Circuit Breaker" offers no such notions of uniqueness. It's asinine to assume that because you incorporated a generic engineering term into your name at an earlier date that no other team should be allowed to also use the same term.
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Sometimes I'm genuinely impressed by Chief Delphi's ability to go off topic. Is this a record?
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

I believe Sanddrag is trying to say that before his very original team name there was no such thing as circuit breakers he should have trademarked it! Darn-it-all!

Also I agree with Sam.

Also great looking overhead view
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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay?
We had a rookie team last year nearby that called themselves Robonauts. Sure it's not ideal, but most people just find it humorous.
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Sometimes I'm genuinely impressed by Chief Delphi's ability to go off topic. Is this a record?
We could go farther. I doubt this was the worst.

Back on topic, I went back and properly made the orthographic field in 4k this time, and in perspective too if anyone wanted that.
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But we aren't companies, we are high school teams. A lot of high school sports/school mascots have overlapping names, it's more common than not in high school sports I would wager. That's why we also have our team numbers to make us unique.

Just look at the Wikipedia disambiguation page for the Blue Devils, the mascot and team identity of the Davis Senior High School sports teams.
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We could go farther. I doubt this was the worst.

Back on topic, I went back and properly made the orthographic field in 4k this time, and in perspective too if anyone wanted that.
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Re: pic: Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
Not to drag this topic on longer than it has to go, but to accuse another team of copying a generic robotics-related name is definitely not GP. Not one of the 7+ teams who are currently called "Circuit Breakers" (or an alternate form) invented the concept, and they definitely don't have a patent registration over that name - just like our team can't claim to have invented dogs.
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I believe Sanddrag is trying to say that before his very original team name there was no such thing as circuit breakers he should have trademarked it! Darn-it-all!
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Except he's wrong.

sanddrag, the NASA/JPL Southern California Circuit Breakers would like to talk. Since their first season in 1997, they have 25 Regional wins, 2 Division wins, and additionally 1 Championship Finalist and 4 Championship Wins.

This sounds impressive, except that particular team went through a couple of splits in the following years, resulting in three teams (and the founding lead mentor now mentors a fourth, with a higher number than 696). The number for the original team was 61, as I recall, but that was during the time that FIRST didn't see the benefit of fixed numbers for the teams and sorted by sponsor name instead, so someone else has that number now.

Exactly which three (four) teams I'm referring to... well, that's left as an exercise for the reader. One of them has a similarly-named team AND a similarly-named offseason event, just as a hint.

(And I will admit that as a young team member, or pre-team-member, I may have thought that 696 was swiping the name. )


*removes tongue from cheek*

Nice view of the field, even if the view type listed was wrong.
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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
I remember going to the Buckeye regional years ago and there were three Robocats teams present.
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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
I was shocked to find out that there's no other Team ASAP out in FRC. Basically every other well known acronym has been used, and it took until 2013 to choose the one most applicable to FRC? (More or less, depending on interpretation)
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Heck, it hasnt stopped a team from naming themselves the "Circuit Breakers" this year.
Excuse you, they're the "Centralia Circuit Breakers #6959." Clearly a world of difference there
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Sounds like in the spirit of gracious professionalism and being
Consistent with one's own statements 696 is obligated to rebrand as not the Circuit Breakers.

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sanddrag, the NASA/JPL Southern California Circuit Breakers would like to talk. Since their first season in 1997, they have 25 Regional wins, 2 Division wins, and additionally 1 Championship Finalist and 4 Championship Wins.

This sounds impressive, except that particular team went through a couple of splits in the following years, resulting in three teams (and the founding lead mentor now mentors a fourth, with a higher number than 696). The number for the original team was 61, as I recall, but that was during the time that FIRST didn't see the benefit of fixed numbers for the teams and sorted by sponsor name instead, so someone else has that number now.

Exactly which three (four) teams I'm referring to... well, that's left as an exercise for the reader. One of them has a similarly-named team AND a similarly-named offseason event, just as a hint.

(And I will admit that as a young team member, or pre-team-member, I may have thought that 696 was swiping the name. )


*removes tongue from cheek*

Nice view of the field, even if the view type listed was wrong.
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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
If only there were other examples of this. Oh wait there are. A crap ton in fact...
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