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[FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

Posted on the FRC Blog, 10/5/2017 https://www.firstinspires.org/roboti...build-day-2018

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About one year ago, in this blog, we revealed the results of an extensive survey we did of the community regarding their thoughts on Stop Build Day. No survey is perfect, but if this one showed anything, it showed that there is no strong consensus one way or the other on this topic which is so fundamental to our culture and how we operate.

We have seen and considered several schemes for modifying the Stop Build Day concept. These schemes were even a topic of conversation with several Woodie Flowers Award winners at their recent annual gathering. They, too, had no consensus on this topic. It’s not clear that any of these options would be significantly better for the great majority of our community than the system we currently have. Given where we are right now in the calendar, and that even if we knew of an option we were comfortable with it would need to be run by folks outside FIRST HQ, the 2018 season will retain our traditional Stop Build Day.

We recognize the current system has drawbacks. We are still open to considering options and changing things in the future. This decision is final for 2018, but not for 2019 and beyond.

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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

I appreciate Frank clarifying it explicitly, though I still have much the same sentiment as when they survey went out. The apparent transparency is thoughtful.

Ask good questions to get better answers, same as teams operate. Is the question here "Should we get rid of stop build day?" or is it "What impact does getting rid of stop build day have, and is it worth any gains or losses teams may face?" I'll try to avoid ing it though, this isn't about Stop Build explicitly.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

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the 2018 season will retain our traditional Stop Build Day.
Well, for 2018, Team 900 has opted to continue its tradition of building two robots.
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Well, for 2018, Team 900 has opted to continue its tradition of building two robots.
At home or at an event?
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At home or at an event?
Add how many are they entering in competition?
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

And with that, may the dollars flow as freely from my wallet as they ever have before! The clarity now is a good thing though. I realize there is no one-size-fits-all right answer. May the debate continue on!
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

I mean, we already knew that Stop Build Day was still gonna be a thing for 2018. They'd already told us. But this shows us that they're taking it seriously. The survey sent out had its flaws and didn't necessarily indicate that HQ was really evaluating the impact of Stop Build. So this blog makes me feel better about the chances of HQ taking a good hard look at the policy. So this blog is a net positive in my eyes.

I'll rarely complain about transparency.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

I appreciate the continued transparency on Stop Build Day and the acknowledgement that they have been giving alternatives serious thought. That's really all I can ask of them for now.

I do think more thought and consideration should be given to compromise or transition proposals, such as Robot Access Periods for all teams every week (on top of what District teams already get), which still preserves the "deadline" aspect of Stop Build, but helps bring practice robot teams and non practice robot teams closer together in access / capability.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

In a previous thread, someone smarter than me made this observation: the only practical way to change stop build day is to do it incrementally.

Frank's post confirms that idea -- there will be no lightning bolt from the sky.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

Wait, does "traditional stop build day" mean they're not doing the new "stop build hour" established last year? One year of a new thing does not make a tradition in my opinion.

I'll plan on stopping at 9pm pacific time here in California, but if they let us go to midnight, I'll go to midnight... maybe.
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Good to see some consideration on this.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

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Wait, does "traditional stop build day" mean they're not doing the new "stop build hour" established last year? One year of a new thing does not make a tradition in my opinion.

I'll plan on stopping at 9pm pacific time here in California, but if they let us go to midnight, I'll go to midnight... maybe.
I don't think they meant to imply they were getting rid of this, that's reading into it a bit too far. I expect standardized start and stop times to remain as long as we have start and stop times.
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I appreciate the continued transparency on Stop Build Day and the acknowledgement that they have been giving alternatives serious thought. That's really all I can ask of them for now.

I do think more thought and consideration should be given to compromise or transition proposals, such as Robot Access Periods for all teams every week (on top of what District teams already get), which still preserves the "deadline" aspect of Stop Build, but helps bring practice robot teams and non practice robot teams closer together in access / capability.
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I appreciate the continued transparency on Stop Build Day and the acknowledgement that they have been giving alternatives serious thought. That's really all I can ask of them for now.
And what really got my attention: If they did find something they were somewhat comfortable with, they'd run it by some people outside HQ to check it. The last time they did a seismic shift, even the "usual suspects" to hear about such things reported hearing nothing ahead of the public announcement (this was stated after the announcement came out).

I agree, though: Thinking about the alternatives seriously is about all we can ask for, at least until about April. That would give them more time to collect input, launch a second survey, and otherwise plan.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Stop Build Day 2018

Let's see, what excuses will be pulled out by people this time to try to excuse the fact that a significant portion of FRC is in fact in favor of the current system?
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