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Re: Probably the coolest robotics competition I've ever seen

This video from their website was super informative as to what their goals are and what the game is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECr4zgK6cPA.

It seems to be fairly complicated with a bit of everything.

I also thought it was interesting that they are using ROS (see 3:20).
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Re: Probably the coolest robotics competition I've ever seen

  • 200 Universities competing.
  • Small Robots
  • Large field with plenty of terrain
  • Each team fields four different robots, including one quadcopter, and one full-auton
  • Matches are 1 team vs 1 team
  • The robots shoot at each other and targets
  • Sexy video feeds for drivers and the audience

Watching the highlights/explanation video on the DJI website was fun. I certainly give it a thumbs-up.

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Re: Probably the coolest robotics competition I've ever seen

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I also thought it was interesting that they are using ROS (see 3:20).
Doing some digging through the rules, there are actually very few limitations as to what you can use to build and program the robots. Something interesting about the competition is that they seem to try and simulate many "real world" robotics norms, such as requiring the base robot to be fully autonomous, limiting the drivers' vision to only the camera feeds from the robot, and (what it looks like from the video) suggesting that teams use ROS to program their robots.
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I have a feeling that the RoboMaster competitors do not hold to the "Its more than a robot" mantra.
I wouldn't be so sure. FIRST may have a trademark on "gracious professionalism", but we don't have a monopoly on it.

Whether in VEX, IEEE competitions, the DARPA Robotics Challenge, or BattleBots, at every competition I've been to I've watched firsthand as competitors help each other out in the pits, exhibit sportsmanship and respect for opponents on and off the field, and create a general sense of camaraderie and inclusiveness. (Sure, there have also been exceptions at times - including some egregious examples in FRC - but that's by far the minority).

Just because a competition doesn't give out a trophy for things totally unrelated to robotics doesn't mean that the competition is "all about the robot".
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I wouldn't be so sure. FIRST may have a trademark on "gracious professionalism", but we don't have a monopoly on it.
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Just because a competition doesn't give out a trophy for things totally unrelated to robotics doesn't mean that the competition is "all about the robot".
Yeah, what he said!

At most college competitions (robots or not), while there may be some smack talk, when a team is in trouble other teams will help out. Parts, supplies, "hey where's our pilot", you name it somebody probably has something that will work, somewhere. Just start asking.
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Re: Probably the coolest robotics competition I've ever seen

Gotta give it to them, they definitely got the presentation nailed down in an easy to watch, non-cringy manner.
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Re: Probably the coolest robotics competition I've ever seen

Interesting to see how much praise the production value of this event is getting, despite having camera views that only show small portions of the field at a time (something that FRC gets eviscerated for).
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Re: Probably the coolest robotics competition I've ever seen

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Interesting to see how much praise the production value of this event is getting, despite having camera views that only show small portions of the field at a time (something that FRC gets eviscerated for).
IMO, it's not the camera angles I'm impressed with, it's like Citrus Dad said, they follow a model that is very similar to many Esports platforms; which is very popular right now.
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Interesting to see how much praise the production value of this event is getting, despite having camera views that only show small portions of the field at a time (something that FRC gets eviscerated for).
I'm sure if I was a competitor who was scouting matches or trying to see a specific robot, I would hate the lack of a full field view. But a a random spectator who just wanted to see what this was all about, the zoomed in shots and on board cameras showed me more than enough.
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Interesting to see how much praise the production value of this event is getting, despite having camera views that only show small portions of the field at a time (something that FRC gets eviscerated for).
You bring up a good point. I'm slightly more okay with it because of the smaller robot size : field size ratio. In FRC the ratio is such that a full-field view still allows you to see the necessary information to understand what is going on in the match while providing the advantage of showing everything there is to see. I feel like Robomaster's changing cameras aren't ideal, but given the size of the robots with respect to the field I'd guess that a full-field camera view would be too zoomed out to clearly see some of the necessary information.

I believe a good compromise that would better enhance the Robomasters viewing experience would be using a similar camera setup that was mandated at most events this year in FRC. Show a full-field view on the bottom with three moving closeups or robot-view shots on top where the airship views + center info block was in the FRC overlay.
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Interesting to see how much praise the production value of this event is getting, despite having camera views that only show small portions of the field at a time (something that FRC gets eviscerated for).
That's a good point. They might benefit from a minimap or something that shows a basic overview of where each robot is at a given time, and where the camera is pointing/shooting from. Of course, that would probably require some kind of true-positioning system on the field... actually, maybe we should consider that for FIRST?
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That's a good point. They might benefit from a minimap or something that shows a basic overview of where each robot is at a given time, and where the camera is pointing/shooting from. Of course, that would probably require some kind of true-positioning system on the field... actually, maybe we should consider that for FIRST?
I actually saw this on the webcast when I was watching. It helped a lot to get a feel for the flow of the match.

But I agree that I would probably hate the up close views if I were really invested and trying to see the whole strategy and specific robots.
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Re: Probably the coolest robotics competition I've ever seen

Yeah I'm pretty hooked on this competition. It definitely feels fairly polished and following that esports model puts some meat into the competitive aspect of the entire thing.

I'm really impressed with some of the bots, but more impressed with how developed some of the strategy is. I've seen teams win matches in so many different ways, or get destroyed in the 1st match only to come back with a completely different strategy to destroy the other team in the 2nd (sound familiar?)

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That's a good point. They might benefit from a minimap or something that shows a basic overview of where each robot is at a given time, and where the camera is pointing/shooting from. Of course, that would probably require some kind of true-positioning system on the field... actually, maybe we should consider that for FIRST?
In the one minute that I watch the webcast, I heard that the drivers actually do get a mini-map, but only with their team's robots on it. Not sure how they managed to get absolute positioning, but apparently they did it.
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In the one minute that I watch the webcast, I heard that the drivers actually do get a mini-map, but only with their team's robots on it. Not sure how they managed to get absolute positioning, but apparently they did it.
Overhead cameras, RFID, BTLE, Wifi...

There's a lot of options.
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