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I'd like to see something original. Maybe large scales and various weights around the arena. As the weights picked up by the Bots and carried to the scales it rises a water level in a tube or something like that.
inb4cries of a water game
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Re: 2013 Game?

Eric and I actually came up with a game that the GDC can use for a water game. Which is more then I can say for anyone else.

Main Game: There are several lunacy like goal weighted down on the bottom of a pool. 1 or more robots on a 3 robot alliance must go underwater to pick up at least one of the goals. the remaining robot(s) must score balls filled with a substance less dense then water so they float. each ball scored would be X amount of points, they must remain in the basket until the buzzer to be counted.

End Game: X points are awarded per ball to any alliance that can then take their basket(s) and set them upside down on the bottom of the pool.

Alternate End Game: X points are awarded to each Robot that hangs on a bar(s) located in the middle of the field. Bars are X distance from the water. Robots must be completed out of the water to count.

I haven't thought up an autonomous yet. Ideas?
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Eric and I actually came up with a game that the GDC can use for a water game. Which is more then I can say for anyone else.
I've cut out most of the post due to length, but I must ask one question: How deep is the pool? 3"? 3'? 8'? And how big of an area will it cover? Think very carefully about all the implications before you answer.



The reason is this: You have to move the entire pool into and out of the venue. (Unless there's one already there, which I highly doubt.) You also have to avoid damaging stuff that's already there. And there are other things that I could go into.

tl;dr: There's a reason nobody's seriously proposing a water game.
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I've cut out most of the post due to length, but I must ask one question: How deep is the pool? 3"? 3'? 8'? And how big of an area will it cover? Think very carefully about all the implications before you answer.

The reason is this: You have to move the entire pool into and out of the venue. (Unless there's one already there, which I highly doubt.)
Answer 1: Average swimming pool size I suppose.

Answer 2: I personally believe that First is slowly switching to venues to have pools. In Michigan this year our newest district competition was at Northville. Northville has a swimming pool, the previous venue did not. And Saint Louis does have a river...
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Answer 1: Average swimming pool size I suppose.

Answer 2: I personally believe that First is slowly switching to venues to have pools. In Michigan this year our newest district competition was at Northville. Northville has a swimming pool, the previous venue did not. And Saint Louis does have a river...
I think that switching to venues that happen to have pools is a coincidence. FWIW, most high schools in the U.S. would have a pool (or have one nearby), but would also be cheaper to put a FRC event in than a sports arena. With FRC moving to more events for less money, it just makes sense to go to cheaper venues. Whether said cheaper venues have a pool or not at that point is a non-issue--it just turns out that way or not.

But here's the kicker: if the pool is in the Midwest, it's going to be either indoors or empty during competition, something about winter and pools not being filled during winter if outdoors. If the pool is in the South or Southwest, there's at least a 50% chance if not much higher that it'll be outdoors! That introduces a whole new dimension to the game, known as weather, which in some areas of the country could result in everybody watching getting soaked by rain or heavily sunburned. Plus you get varying lighting conditions, debris "on" the field, you get the picture. And oh, yeah, throw in some rather annoyed swim teams because there went their practice space for a week (gotta set up, gotta remove all debris afterwards, and don't forget to check all the chemical levels).

Also, in 2008 the Los Angeles regional shared a venue with a "pool". It should be noted, however, that the venue was double-booked that weekend. (And there were some not-too-happy teams due to the resulting crowded pits.) The following year, the regional moved to across the street from a harbor. No water game yet...
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Re: 2013 Game?

It's just a joke of course. To feed the "Water Game" hype.

However, to deal with the weather, just put a tent up over the pool. We just played at IGVC this weekend in 90 degree weather.
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It's just a joke of course. To feed the "Water Game" hype.

However, to deal with the weather, just put a tent up over the pool. We just played at IGVC this weekend in 90 degree weather.
I have to say, a tent over the pool might help... but it depends on the type. Also see "Epcot parking lot pits" and "It comes in anyway" for an enclosed or a popup, respectively.
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I have to say, a tent over the pool might help... but it depends on the type. Also see "Epcot parking lot pits" and "It comes in anyway" for an enclosed or a popup, respectively.
We actually managed to fit 25 team's pits under a enclosed tent with the field. And that was with the other 1/2 being used by Robofest.
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And oh, yeah, throw in some rather annoyed swim teams because there went their practice space for a week (gotta set up, gotta remove all debris afterwards, and don't forget to check all the chemical levels).
After all these years thinking that a water game would be a boon for a swimmer, I just realized that it would involve kicking me out of my pool for long periods of time! I suppose build season does this anyway...

There are many weird sports that have yet to be emulated by an FRC game, but Swimming/Water Polo always seems to come up more than the rest in 20xx game threads. Why don't equally improbable sports like rock climbing or dirt biking, for example, get the attention that the mythical "water game" always seems to?
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After all these years thinking that a water game would be a boon for a swimmer, I just realized that it would involve kicking me out of my pool for long periods of time! I suppose build season does this anyway...

There are many weird sports that have yet to be emulated by an FRC game, but Swimming/Water Polo always seems to come up more than the rest in 20xx game threads. Why don't equally improbable sports like rock climbing or dirt biking, for example, get the attention that the mythical "water game" always seems to?
They might actually happen. It would remove the "mystical" part.
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2006 and 2009 were very similar in terms of robot specs. Intake with (maybe a hopper and) a shooter.
But scoring those balls, driving, and the endgame were drastically different. The 2009 challenge was very heavy on being able to drive effectively compared to other years.
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Eric and I actually came up with a game that the GDC can use for a water game. Which is more then I can say for anyone else.

Main Game: There are several lunacy like goal weighted down on the bottom of a pool. 1 or more robots on a 3 robot alliance must go underwater to pick up at least one of the goals. the remaining robot(s) must score balls filled with a substance less dense then water so they float. each ball scored would be X amount of points, they must remain in the basket until the buzzer to be counted.

End Game: X points are awarded per ball to any alliance that can then take their basket(s) and set them upside down on the bottom of the pool.

Alternate End Game: X points are awarded to each Robot that hangs on a bar(s) located in the middle of the field. Bars are X distance from the water. Robots must be completed out of the water to count.

I haven't thought up an autonomous yet. Ideas?
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We actually managed to fit 25 team's pits under a enclosed tent with the field. And that was with the other 1/2 being used by Robofest.
Not bad. I just remember in Florida a few weeks back, 55 robot teams (college level) in an enclosed tent. They fit with plenty of space, but the air conditioning needed help, though it was better than outside. (The field, for other reasons, was in a different enclosed tent. That A/C still needed help, but not because of number of people--everyone in that tent was in a "bunny suit". See my avatar if you don't know what one is.)


Yeah, I think water game just gets too much attention. So, I say we try for a curling-based or cricket-based game...
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Due to recent comm issues, I think we will use wired connection next year.

The job of the human player will be to suspend from the ceiling and hold the cable.

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