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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

Glad to hear most teams take Sunday's off for rest. the only sunday we did last year was on Kickoff weekend and it was only in afternoon for a few hours.
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I grabbed just the first two columns of "Raw Data" and did a histogram. MrCool/MechEng83, can you add my second worksheet into your google doc?
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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

Last year Texas adopted FIRST Robotics as an official UIL (which lays out some of the rules for high school competition in Texas) activity. The rules say a club or team cannot "require" more than 8 hours from Monday morning to Friday close of school. So we plan to cut hours to Monday 6-8, Tuesday 6-9, Thursday 6-9, Friday 6-10 and two shifts Saturday 10-4 and 4-10. UIL discourages activities on Sundays. Hopefully this does not impact our work flow too much! We are trying to be more strategic and scripted to be more productive during our limited (compared to previous seasons) meeting schedule. Crossing our fingers ...
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Last year Texas adopted FIRST Robotics as an official UIL (which lays out some of the rules for high school competition in Texas) activity.
Out of curiosity, how tightly related are the two changes of FIRST being an official UIL activity and the impending startup of Texas Districts (scheduled for 2017, but pushed off to 2018)?

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I see that some teams are putting in over 40 hours a week during build season, in addition to school and work. I have to ask, are you actually being productive during that time?

It seems to me that at that level of FRC; burn out and drop out rates would increase significantly.
Clint, I believe that many of the teams, particularly those with 30+ hours per week, are reporting "shop open" times, not mandatory times. Just looking at the first page of this thread, you can see this in posts 10, 11, and 15. I expect many of these teams have more than one coach/mentor with keys to the shop.
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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

I see that some teams are putting in over 40 hours a week during build season, in addition to school and work. I have to ask, are you actually being productive during that time?

It seems to me that at that level of FRC; burn out and drop out rates would increase significantly.

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Unread 11-26-2016, 12:02 AM
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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

My team, the Metal Mustangs, officially meets 6-8pm on Monday-Thursday and 9-4ish on Saturdays. In addition, any snow days or holidays are basically the same time frame as Saturdays. We tend to run later than the official times if things need to get done though, and some students often get there earlier on weekdays to get stuff done if necessary.

We really haven't had too many problems with burnout in my time on the team. We emphasize that schoolwork is still a priority and are pretty flexible if students have conflicts which helps if people need a little break. In addition , Fridays and Sundays are reserved for rest.
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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

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Last year Texas adopted FIRST Robotics as an official UIL (which lays out some of the rules for high school competition in Texas) activity. The rules say a club or team cannot "require" more than 8 hours from Monday morning to Friday close of school. So we plan to cut hours to Monday 6-8, Tuesday 6-9, Thursday 6-9, Friday 6-10 and two shifts Saturday 10-4 and 4-10. UIL discourages activities on Sundays. Hopefully this does not impact our work flow too much! We are trying to be more strategic and scripted to be more productive during our limited (compared to previous seasons) meeting schedule. Crossing our fingers ...
As some anecdotal reassurance, a few years ago 1257 cut back from 5-6 days a week with 4 + hour meetings to 3 days a week with meetings that defaulted to 3 hours (but could be extended if needed). We got a lot more done in that time, because there was less burnout and more motivation to get work done.
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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

Build season: we take over the tech ed wing of the HS. Classroom , computer lab, wood shop, metal shop and auto shop.
M-Fri 3:30 - 10:30 (most students leave at 5:30 on the late bus because they do not have their own transportation)
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This is for both of our teams.
We have one coach there all the time, 2 are there most of the time and 2 sometimes.
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I grabbed just the first two columns of "Raw Data" and did a histogram. MrCool/MechEng83, can you add my second worksheet into your google doc?
Done!

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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

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Out of curiosity, how tightly related are the two changes of FIRST being an official UIL activity and the impending startup of Texas Districts (scheduled for 2017, but pushed off to 2018)?
No correlation as far as I know.
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Having some issue with our school's admin with regards to build schedule. Comes down to them not wanting us in the building on Sundays, as well as wanting us to scale back our hours.
During season we run:
  • Friday: 4-9
  • Saturday: 8-9
  • Sunday: 8-9
  • Monday: 4-8
We don't tend work much during the week, as our mentors are not able to get to the school.

Anyways, was wondering how the rest of you organized your build season, trying to see if there are any better was of organizing/showing the administration how much time other teams put in.

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We are blessed when it comes to our school administrators. We meet T,W,T from 5 to 9 but if a student is willing to stay and work later our mentors usually will also. Weekends tend to be 10 to 10 on Saturday (often staying late) and Sundays I think are 11 to 9 or so.

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Re: Build Season Schedule Questions?

This seems to work really well for us:

M-Th: 3:15pm-6:00pm
F: No meeting
Sat: 9:00am-3:00pm
Sun: No meeting

I think it is not realistic to run meetings into the night around 8 and 9pm. This both from a from a safety and logistics issue. When you work that late it is an burden on parents to transport their students and feed them. Additionally, that leaves no time for students to work on academic at home. From a safety point of view having students work with tools when they have been up since 6 or 7am is not ideal.

Remember that participants are students first and robotics members second. Sometimes other things are more important than the robot build.
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We generally go Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday: 6-9. Saturday 12-6
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We usually do 2-6 or 7 on school nights, 3-10 on Friday and Saturday, and 3-8 on Sunday.
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