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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

You always have the most gorgeous renders.

One thing I noticed about your mounting: Have you considered 1533-style slots instead of the holes? It nerfs some of the pocketing, but it does give you the ability to locate it along any length of VersaFrame without having to poke new holes in the tubing.
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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

Do you have the parts list/CAD for this?
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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

It's a small thing, but thank you for listing free speed rather than "top speed" with some unknown/arbitrary "speed loss constant" applied to it.
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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

Nice and compact! Is that a ball bearing on the end of the CIM shaft and in the center of the large rotational gear? I would omit that part for fear of overconstraining the motor shaft. The shaft is strong enough to support the pinion without that bearing.

What is being used for the large bearing for the module rotation?
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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

I'm asking this because I can't clearly see it, but how are you planning on mounting encoders to track distance and rotation of your module? Beyond that it looks great, good work!
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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

I love the packaging and small form factor of this swerve! Having attempted to design swerve on my own multiple times, I understand how difficult it is to get something nicely packaged. I was wondering if those screws on the bottom were all the support that the fork gets in terms of radial loads? Do you have another bearing, or is all the load through the bolts on the bottom? Also, what do you have in terms of taking the thrust load?
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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

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You always have the most gorgeous renders.

One thing I noticed about your mounting: Have you considered 1533-style slots instead of the holes? It nerfs some of the pocketing, but it does give you the ability to locate it along any length of VersaFrame without having to poke new holes in the tubing.
You know, my renders used to look only decent until I saw Nick Coussen do a render on a dark background, so now I use the same background for all my renders.
I like the idea of the slots, but I don't particularly see the need honestly. I don't like using Versaframe over just making my own tubing, after spending hours this year getting VF just right. Given that we have a CNC and a manual mill, it's actually faster for us just to cut tubes to length on the manual rather than use VF.

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Do you have the parts list/CAD for this?
I'm just generating the STEP and Pack&Go files now, and will update the description with the link as soon as that's done.

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It's a small thing, but thank you for listing free speed rather than "top speed" with some unknown/arbitrary "speed loss constant" applied to it.
I always get mildly peeved when I see "adjusted" speed listed. Adjusted for what?

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Nice and compact! Is that a ball bearing on the end of the CIM shaft and in the center of the large rotational gear? I would omit that part for fear of overconstraining the motor shaft. The shaft is strong enough to support the pinion without that bearing.

What is being used for the large bearing for the module rotation?
There's a balance to be struck here with the overconstraining. On one hand I agree with you and don't want to risk the shaft binding. But on the other hand, if I don't have it, tolerances could totally throw the spacing of the CIM pinion off relative to its meshing gear. Tricky, tricky stuff. I'll probably remove to make room for an AMT CIMcoder on the CIM shaft.
I'm using a 6814 bearing, 70mm inner by 90mm outer, 10mm thick. Very cheap alternatives to the Silverthin bearings a lot of designs use.

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I'm asking this because I can't clearly see it, but how are you planning on mounting encoders to track distance and rotation of your module? Beyond that it looks great, good work!
Whoops, I knew I forgot something! The plan was to use Muchskull's AMT CIMcoder for the drive, I'll add that in before releasing the CAD. Rotation is settled with a Versaplanetary Integrated Encoder.

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I love the packaging and small form factor of this swerve! Having attempted to design swerve on my own multiple times, I understand how difficult it is to get something nicely packaged. I was wondering if those screws on the bottom were all the support that the fork gets in terms of radial loads? Do you have another bearing, or is all the load through the bolts on the bottom? Also, what do you have in terms of taking the thrust load?
The setup here is similar to the one 1323 runs, so I'm not too worried about most of the lower module specifics. The screw is a dead axle for the wheel, and the forks are attached to the turning gear by means of 4 10-32 screws tapped into the forks with a couple of tiny pins on one fork for locating the bevel gear. Because of the small wheel it's quite easy to make it compact and strong.
If you mean the thrust loads from the bevel gear, those are taken just on regular ball bearings. Other swerves have run the same setup without issues. There is space for a roller thrust bearing, but I wouldn't add it unless I needed it.
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Is it realistic because you're never gonna use it?
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Is it realistic if you make it and it doesn’t work?
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Is it realistic if you make it and it doesn’t work?
You know Anand just as well as I do - no way he'd make a swerve in season.
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Re: pic: GBX-162, Realistic Swerve

Link to CAD models (also in description): https://workbench.grabcad.com/workbe...IQSQ0z1UVX5D8O

I added Munchskull's CIMcoder and removed the bearing in the middle gear.

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Bingo. Not worth the time it takes IMO. COTS swerves, however, are on the table. The Swerve&Steer still has numerous issues, but here's to hoping for improvements!
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Bingo. Not worth the time it takes IMO. COTS swerves, however, are on the table. The Swerve&Steer still has numerous issues, but here's to hoping for improvements!
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Bingo. Not worth the time it takes IMO. COTS swerves, however, are on the table. The Swerve&Steer still has numerous issues, but here's to hoping for improvements!
Care to detail what's wrong with Swerve&Steer?
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