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Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

Here is a link to the unveil video.

I made this thread after realizing that our team didn't have anything posted in the Robot Showcase sub-forum.
Here is a link to the original discussion and picture.

Feel free to leave any questions or comments in either thread.
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

Thanks Bryce! Our team has prepped a list of stats about this year's robot, which can be found at our team website.

For the lazy, here's some of the highlights:
  • 3 - 775pro gearbox per side
  • 27.125in x 30in frame
  • Continuous elevator
  • Elevator powered by 2-speed 4 - 775pro gearbox
  • 9'2" max intake height
  • 180 degrees of intake wrist motion
  • 2 - McMaster Carr 4in Compliant Wheels
  • .4in Carbon Fiber wings reinforced with kevlar
  • 1,142lb simulated max load per ramp
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

I love this robot! Great job to the whole team!

How reliable do y'all think the side ramps can be? I'm still debating if I trust climbers that lift another robot by just supporting the underside of them, but they seem more and more prevalent.
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

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How reliable do y'all think the side ramps can be? I'm still debating if I trust climbers that lift another robot by just supporting the underside of them, but they seem more and more prevalent.
I think the main issue is going to be lining up right when driving onto the ramps. If a team drove up onto our ramp but was off to one side or only partially on, then there would be a greater chance of falling off as our robot slowly climbed upwards. One of the reasons we decided to go with two carbon fiber "forks" with aluminium bracing was because a robot would get "stuck" as soon as their wheels fell through the holes, making it harder for it to fall of the side or front.

Another smaller issue that I think our team has managed to fix very well is only supporting one robot on one side. Done improperly, there is a chance that the main robot could twist and bend, also causing the robot on the ramp to fall. Our team has made steps to prevent this, by using two hooks that attach on each side of the rung, bracing the elevator with carbon fiber to prevent twisting, and using a climbing assist which pushes against the insets on the scale on the sides of the rung.

In short, I think that if a team can do ramps properly, the pressure falls less on the teams actually climbing and more on the teams coming along for the ride, wondering if they can actually center themselves properly when the time comes.
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

I love the fluidity of the backward scoring and the ease of putting cubes on top of a tipped-up 3-cube-high stack on scale. The name is cool, too.
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

Very nice Robot! How do you stop your elevator from back-driving the motor once you've lifted all three robots above 12"?
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

Beautiful robot!! I look forward to watching it on the field!
Great Job!! as usual...
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Very nice Robot! How do you stop your elevator from back-driving the motor once you've lifted all three robots above 12"?
Disclaimer: I am not one of the team engineers, simply the guy watching them 24/7(1).

At the end of our elevator gearbox is a disk brake and a disk brake rotor, similar to one used on a bicycle. Ours is pneumatically controlled. Whenever the elevator is told to not move up or down via code, the brake is actuated, as shown in this slightly out of focus shot taken during reveal filming. When the brake is active, the motors are unable to spin, making the whole thing stay still.
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Very nice Robot! How do you stop your elevator from back-driving the motor once you've lifted all three robots above 12"?
You can see the custom gearbox and attached disc brake for a second at 0:45. We mounted it on the on the same shaft as first stage of the gearbox after the motors so it has way more mechanical advantage than it needs, but certainly gets the job done.

Edit: Hunter got there first

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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

If this thing were painted blue, I would believe 254 made it. I hope you guys make it to Einstein this year.

Question: what's the purpose of the pneumatic cylinder on the arm? Why not just use springs or a gas shock?

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I think this is going to be my favorite robot this year. Great job. Hope to get to see it in person at championship.
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

If you place 3 cubes high on the outermost edge of the plate will 4 haphazardly placed cubes on the opposite plate get control back? 5? I'm sure you guys tested it. That's a really great machine feature! Rest of the robot it solid as well. Awesome job!
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If this thing were painted blue, I would believe 254 made it. I hope you guys make it to Einstein this year.
Wow thanks, that would be super awesome! Maybe we'll see you there
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Question: what's the purpose of the pneumatic cylinder on the arm? Why not just use springs or a gas shock?
On the carriage, there were two mechanisms that we thought could use a large constant pulling force. One was the counterbalance for the arm, and the other was the rope tensioner for the elevator. The second of which greatly benefited from being able to depressurize the system for maintenance. in the near future we will be looking at lighter weight solutions such a gas springs for those applications in order to improve the robot's agility.
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I think this is going to be my favorite robot this year. Great job. Hope to get to see it in person at championship.
Thanks a bunch! That means a lot coming from someone with one of my favorite robot designs so far.
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If you place 3 cubes high on the outermost edge of the plate will 4 haphazardly placed cubes on the opposite plate get control back? 5? I'm sure you guys tested it. That's a really great machine feature! Rest of the robot it solid as well. Awesome job!
I'm not actually sure what the outcome of that would be. We've never really looked at making power cube towers (towers of power?) as a strategy. With that shot in the video, we wanted to demonstrate that we would likely run out of cubes before we would run out of reach. However, we don't own enough cubes to fill the plate 3 layers tall so we made a stack.
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Re: Team Mean Machine 2471 Presents Atlas (X-post from Extra Discussion)

Nice machine. What was the gear ratio for the wrist. Did you try only one bag motor and and later found out 2 was needed? Still not clear why the piston was needed. Can you clearify that.
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Nice machine. What was the gear ratio for the wrist. Did you try only one bag motor and and later found out 2 was needed? Still not clear why the piston was needed. Can you clearify that.
Thank you! The gear ratio on the wrist is 438:1. We used two bag motors on it simply because we had used that motor setup on similar arms in the past with good success. After testing we decided that the arm had much more torque than necessary, and was slower than we wanted. So we have sense moved to a single 775pro with the same gear ratio. The change seems good so far, but we need more testing to be sure.
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